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Dave Taht via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
    > and for that matter, cable, and fiber, will also get on the stick,
    > finally. Maybe someone in the press will explain bufferbloat. Who
    > knows what the coming days hold!?

I am imaging a 2005-era Apple iPod shadow dancing ad... one with high
buffers (low RPM), and one with low (high RPM).

What do you think Stuart?