From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 787B23B2A4 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2023 19:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.32] (unknown [98.37.180.28]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 93D511B258; Mon, 9 Oct 2023 16:58:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bobcat.rjmcmahon.com 93D511B258 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rjmcmahon.com; s=bobcat; t=1696895933; bh=SMLSpRQJWiBoLElFrxGC8KUh8sW1+80Vx1YN/uNsoGI=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Date:To:CC:From; b=AMZsICMBqPdnTkoFQJsKhtjeRBA1MdpJmw0FJZ5hh0jIRDfqcoojZX27To89JQ1pp owv61Oog+UCYQ02uhnYrTXt4ezrFrjq/QLrnPXO0jSKCLy7+4awRARRJGujta0i6J6 4fDGnPcj7X9RdgpE7ShJo9piJvObH1AaIhNxkrcI= In-Reply-To: References: X-Referenced-Uid: 00011420567702d5 Thread-Topic: [NNagain] pet peeves and policy recommendations X-Blue-Identity: !l=266&o=43&fo=2147&pl=237&po=0&qs=PREFIX&f=HTML&m=!%3AODY4NDIxODAtZDYzYS00ZmFiLTk1N2EtZjE0NWVlYzg4ZGQ1%3ASU5CT1g%3D%3AMDAwMTE0MjA1Njc3MDJkNQ%3D%3D%3AANSWERED&p=232&q=SHOW X-Is-Generated-Message-Id: true User-Agent: Android MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----FW78UWK5PK1JE5BG0TK5DH12NYICKC" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robert McMahon Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2023 16:58:53 -0700 To: Dave Taht via Nnagain Message-ID: <1568d6e4-7e03-42b1-b8b3-1fa0f3aa5380@rjmcmahon.com> Subject: Re: [NNagain] pet peeves and policy recommendations X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2023 23:58:54 -0000 ------FW78UWK5PK1JE5BG0TK5DH12NYICKC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There are large NRE spends and advancements in WiFi around spectral efficie= ncy, multilink operatons, ofdma and RUs, wider channels, lower latency, ap/= sta densities, obss concurency, etc=2E The 802=2E11be standard is a good = reference=2E https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/IEEE_802=2E11be WiFi hasn't= been abandoned like DSL, ATM, tokenring, etc=2E I think 802=2E11 will surv= ive and have continuous improvements per this mass investment by industry p= layers=2E Bob On Oct 9, 2023, 1:45 PM, at 1:45 PM, Dave Taht via Nnagain = wrote: >I scribbled down a few things t= hat I wish had more champions=2E > >1) The US government holds 10? 11? IPv4= /8s=2E At the current market >prices for these that is over 700m per range= =2E To cross the digital >divide new users and ISPs need IP addresses, the = government itself >update more to rfc1918 and/or ipv6, and selling these of= f seems like a >way to fund other internet related projects=2E > >2) Obviou= sly I care deeply about more QoE technologies being deployed=2E >It makes a= n enormous difference in internet quality especially at low >bandwidths=2E = I have been pilloried for suggesting too often that 25/10 >with CAKE was ac= tually all most american families need=2E > >3) The CTO of the whitehouse p= osition remains unfilled since the start >of the Biden administration=2E Pe= rhaps with more clue at the top, and >office space for it that is not in th= e basement floor, with a sign >saying "Beware of the leopard", smarter poli= cies will emerge=2E > >4) I wish the world could focus less on bandwidth in= general, more on >wifi and low latency at range, and less interference (e= =2Eg=2E smaller >default channel widths) and jitter > >5) I really love the= uIXP idea=2E IT has become very cheap to build a >SDN router capable of bg= p and 100Gbit throughput=2E Every town could >have one or more open network= interconnects, not just between the >biggest providers but also enabling n= ewer technologies to emerge=2E > >6) There is no 6! > >7) Similarly, Biden'= 's electrification program (every 50 miles, a >charger) is a good place for= a uIXP=2E Similarly, the postal service has >a lot of space everywhere mos= tly standing idle=2E > > 8) IPv6, anyone? > >-- >Oct 30: >https://netdevco= nf=2Einfo/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof=2Ehtml >Dave T=C3=A4ht CS= O, LibreQos >_______________________________________________ >Nnagain maili= ng list >Nnagain@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet >https://lists=2Ebufferbloat=2En= et/listinfo/nnagain ------FW78UWK5PK1JE5BG0TK5DH12NYICKC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There are la= rge NRE spends and advancements in WiFi around spectral efficiency, multili= nk operatons, ofdma and RUs, wider channels, lower latency, ap/sta densitie= s, obss concurency, etc=2E

The 802=2E11be = standard is a good reference=2E https://en=2Ewikipedia=2Eorg/wiki/IEEE_802=2E11be
WiFi hasn't been abandoned like DSL, ATM, tok= enring, etc=2E I think 802=2E11 will survive and have continuous improvemen= ts per this mass investment by industry players=2E

Bob
On Oct 9, 2023, at 1:45 PM,= Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists=2Ebufferbloat=2Enet> wrote: 
I scribbled down a few things that I wish had more champions=2E

1)=
 The US government holds 10? 11? IPv4/8s=2E At the current market
prices=
 for these that is over 700m per range=2E To cross the digital
divide ne=
w users and ISPs need IP addresses, the government itself
update more to=
 rfc1918 and/or ipv6, and selling these off seems like a
way to fund oth=
er internet related projects=2E

2) Obviously I care deeply about mor=
e QoE technologies being deployed=2E
It makes an enormous difference in =
internet quality especially at low
bandwidths=2E I have been pilloried f=
or suggesting too often that 25/10
with CAKE was actually all most ameri=
can families need=2E

3) The CTO of the whitehouse position remains u=
nfilled since the start
of the Biden administration=2E Perhaps with more=
 clue at the top, and
office space for it that is not in the basement fl=
oor, with a sign
saying "Beware of the leopard", smarter policies will e=
merge=2E

4) I wish the world could focus less on bandwidth in genera=
l, more on
wifi and low latency at range, and less interference (e=2Eg=
=2E smaller
default channel widths) and jitter

5) I really love t=
he uIXP idea=2E IT has become very cheap to build a
SDN router capable o=
f bgp and 100Gbit throughput=2E Every town could
have one or more open n=
etwork interconnects, not just between the
biggest providers but also en=
abling newer technologies to emerge=2E

6) There is no 6!

7) S=
imilarly, Biden''s electrification program (every 50 miles, a
charger) i=
s a good place for a uIXP=2E Similarly, the postal service has
a lot of =
space everywhere mostly standing idle=2E

 8) IPv6, anyone?
=
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