From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A84413B29D for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:00:29 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1699981223; x=1700586023; i=moeller0@gmx.de; bh=jPFN3cyj73wznTlL5u54HgfxirxGa3ziL6++iiDyhT0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=tV1RkFndt4qJUjApKz+2I+Afc4gkR4ybuuFNwuIT1RkBq8CqFcW+vicQDCZmK+U+ 1APSSCdtXP9vEpNAQ7qKMkfG0OQNqnRAzTVasn9W27hY+NF+U5bXBbWThc77xkW/p 2bI4EK1lJL1bD+DU8ORORVdmU6MLK/B1R6blZ8P9jUZDcIP4V+BZQStzGXfgKUFdv BELdysHFKKPmG5qYmEhiGUdN58DmnFZL9GWBFxPHSZwoqAuJh4yIYrgqePFiliFw8 3V62rNSnvBh/8gduqtR1sKQ5KWm1yMa9lN1WSQFT4e2Vl1Hv/nJgJaLwPO/z7AGF5 uz6OlScUdeac+QS6NA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([208.115.85.104]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M89Kr-1qxjiG1zfv-005KfX; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 18:00:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:00:14 -0500 From: Sebastian Moeller To: "Livingood, Jason" , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=B4s_mak?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?e_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <175B7A0D-61AA-43AF-8969-DC30223C0A14@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----PF00HHJ6QVBM64VAYNMX79KM90A6XB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ObGC/JrZ2HptwbP81F3haFzQyS72EAmx8Rf6yAM3/L4v07zIyTk RKGpDNnKayjGrB6/oitugvSJTqUzVJo7qdm9YcUQebCzGSKux1g9y5aHXl3tnPEUutNS2Nq kwRHsIAlNesZyAtINhAHVDoHVnx8dSnUNgGBNwFJ28HmN4EhYtS96BvYCclgYjSFjjt7uGN kuu8lKYhRjY3kcsGNzAfg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:EXK8RrcyAwU=;Dak3m5H96BwGE76YvVzXWvAtDBZ qwxuTXuwqDYIPo9uIrBd5eo2hbcuLfW4fP6rQ8ycStsh2+q+VPYm4GcCNSi+Qdm4zOXMEtkwU hJhHVXfQoxJqxRh+h0pMXTeii2Jk/dtnBHqlo/GF4+Gw0dCPFAHlH9Le5f11kh1gUtkwekLvE zpICgvfy/QUHXWSzYa3upXIx9jZKtHrifsCmpV1tBG/J8Ot9IHe7dgXXgsrlnKi1gXINwOfMf Q/cB8V8N9XCc7hrdrGsefqtTJ6QJts9/k/0Wd8dDUyvRJNiCiY+G/pE6Yh8tvkZDawnkiLnwT bYWOofzFU27b9m1WZql+9Oswt3vZj9XxOVVQKendZWqawjc07ni5B+XJGLW+SpfFSQMnxYi9E WyaH4wp2ghzfHxTTzYC1f0l6T3a+IMzauGl4nM0PWc3dOXNHFhTc1SH3HQQQn1LP7vb2GAPCS ro1C07M6D3kWKGabNcFhfarXG4ZmLFYKrc4POEft1CFGpVd/lPglEVZVUTPBqSKvRatEeimdb HwHUK9Hz7kza5IpPWo2QcGWWhR8vg2eTJPlxZy7XmKfz14/EgrrrcWOAqVzhw6nVY6yoMTZ2Z gPfJFkXBzFbscUtHJNPWqODEewoADgZVlucAlhxawyQUqYPDCidtFpCcNqd4Tudn5WgPxzmUq ZN2vKBpcZ961CjKryMiaOV09RVc6hLTMm2e2cqNe8HwdkchVyID8YR5SaZ1cnXQ3tmwX148ky F4n4s/INU8sgsbiwfQh4pha7rp+CtfpoxEpXD4DaSbUz98MgBpiL7geoNDK1MtPAn2a6pdyCr NJ+/lWPBrqZLPOpGFIC5kElhpPar/Qg1IKNts/EETNghFrRU5lg6ymMKzObQAXvwZ0eIbzsAz iSikBSgJznH0hx+CUiWT2LGQDKMU+I1PUmaYFQ40seyLMLpFzDs10lPr6223DNwN1Q45arivj UVeFNg== Subject: Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 17:00:30 -0000 ------PF00HHJ6QVBM64VAYNMX79KM90A6XB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jason, Thank you very much for the information! Regards On 14 November 2023 11:37:26 GMT-05:00, "Livingood, Jason" wrote: >> Joking aside, how representative is this ratio of users to peak traffic= for what you know about residential users? I am not looking for anything m= ore than a very coarse replay, like same order of magnitude or not ;) > >Based on my experience, this is representative in so far as:=20 >- People tend to use less bandwidth than they think [1] >- Downstream/upstream asymmetry remains is prevalent / normal >- The only real use of 1 Gbps is a speed test (artificial driver); there = are no user applications that place those demands naturally on the network > >Jason > >[1] In a way, more bandwidth is like an insurance policy for possible usa= ge and ensures capacity is not a constraint - and it has historically been = a fair proxy, if indirect, for QoE=2E > > --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------PF00HHJ6QVBM64VAYNMX79KM90A6XB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Jason,

Thank you very = much for the information!

Regards


On 14 November 2023 11:37:26 GMT-05:00, "Livingood,= Jason" <jason_livingood@comcast=2Ecom> wrote:
Joking aside, how representative is this ratio of users to p=
eak traffic for what you know about residential users? I am not looking for=
 anything more than a very coarse replay, like same order of magnitude or n=
ot ;)

Based on my experience, t= his is representative in so far as:
- People tend to use less bandwidth= than they think [1]
- Downstream/upstream asymmetry remains is prevalen= t / normal
- The only real use of 1 Gbps is a speed test (artificial dri= ver); there are no user applications that place those demands naturally on = the network

Jason

[1] In a way, more bandwidth is like an ins= urance policy for possible usage and ensures capacity is not a constraint -= and it has historically been a fair proxy, if indirect, for QoE=2E

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