Re: [NNagain] Spam filtering

[Tanya Weiman <tanya@panacea42.com>]

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Thank you so much for these links, Frank! ❤️
 

> On 04/06/2025 6:23 AM EDT Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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> Thank you very much for this, Daniel. Safe travels, and enjoy your trip. I hope to do it one day as well, to commemorate Dave (and I need to do a lot of other things we were planning to do together, like to attend SpaceX launch etc.)
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> Here is a reminder of Dave's Amtrak trip, if you want to refresh you memory or missed it back then, in 2023: https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/nnagain/2023-October/000286.html
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> Dave was heading to Netdev 0x17 https://netdevconf.info/0x17/ in Vancouver. His talks and music from the event, if anyone is interested, can be found here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9RGX6QFm5E and https://youtu.be/rWnb543Sdk8?si=9LAEGpfBo2M5RX9X&t=2599
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> All the best,
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> Frank
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> Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
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> In loving memory of Dave Täht: 1965-2025
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> https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/
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> https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
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> Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 
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> iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
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> Skype: casioa5302ca
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> frantisek.borsik@gmail.com mailto:frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
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> On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 3:21 AM Daniel Ezell <dezell@stonescry.com mailto:dezell@stonescry.com> wrote:
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> > Taking the Coast Starlight tonight. Wanted to compare notes with Dave about it. Sad to have missed the opportunity. So this trip is a memorial to a great guy I never got to meet. 
> > Daniel Ezell
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> > > On Oct 28, 2023, at 3:51 AM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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> > > I just can't even. So many garbage ideas out of Brussels as of late. DSA, DMA, DSM... GDPR in the past, or even that horrible CRA = Cyber Resilience Act:
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> > > https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/10/the-eus-proposed-cyber-resilience-act-will-damage-the-open-source-ecosystem/
> > > https://blog.nlnetlabs.nl/open-source-software-vs-the-cyber-resilience-act/
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> > > Good intentions don't count, bad results do. Most of the evil in this world was done by people with good intentions and this is not an exception.
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> > > All the best,
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> > > Frank
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> > > Frantisek (Frank) Borsik
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> > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik
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> > > Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 
> > > 
> > > iMessage, mobile: +420775230885
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> > > Skype: casioa5302ca
> > > 
> > > frantisek.borsik@gmail.com mailto:frantisek.borsik@gmail.com
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> > > 
> > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 1:45 AM Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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> > > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 4:23 PM Nathan Simington via Nnagain
> > > > <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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> > > > > This has gone from mere cost-shifting to protocol takeover. Self-hosting is essentially dead because you are guaranteed to get filtered by Outlook and Gmail, which means that there is de facto embrace-and-extend -- "best viewed in Internet Explorer at 800x600" but for a core standard.
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> > > > This is one of those things that could be reversed if there was law
> > > > guaranteeing  freedom of communications. That really does not seem to
> > > > be the way the world is going, however.
> > > > 
> > > > See: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ for example.
> > > > 
> > > > I like email (and netnews). You had a copy, the recipients had copies,
> > > > and pretty much anyone that had the capability of snooping in-between
> > > > had copies.  Nobody ever got arround to making starttls mandatory.
> > > > Compare this to all the even more centralized, but incompatible chat
> > > > systems since, multiple ones that have vanished from the web (g+), and
> > > > others that are barely hanging on, like disquis.
> > > > 
> > > > Even with the flight to mastodon and other heavily encrypted home
> > > > server technologies, email remains the most common, useful and
> > > > malleable public identifier for connecting people to people. I would
> > > > like to make it better, for everyone, again.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:48 PM Hal Murray via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [Was Amtrack]
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > 2) I could get mad that I figure 80% of this new email list is vanishing into
> > > > >> > spam boxes.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > What of the 10s of thousands of other emails that have come over the years
> > > > >> > not just fromhttp://lists.bufferbloat.net but from people trying honestly to
> > > > >> > communicate?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There is/was a good discussion of all the good things that network geeks have
> > > > >> done.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> How about discussing the things they haven't done?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Spam would be pretty high on my list.  It's tangled up with (in)security -- a
> > > > >> lot comes from infected systems or phished accounts.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The current approach to spam is cost shifting.  If you don't pay for your
> > > > >> abuse desk, the crap that you send or phishing sites you host..., means that
> > > > >> the rest of the net has to spend more on defense.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Anybody remember Spamford Wallace?  He was going to setup a spam friendly ISP.
> > > > >>  Nobody would connect to him.  I wonder what would happen if a few ISPs that
> > > > >> host a lot of abuse had  more troubles getting connected to the net.  Would a
> > > > >> few well publicized examples be enough to spread the word?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> High on my list would be dis/mis-information.  The business model seems to be
> > > > >> to show customers things that will keep them online so you can show them more
> > > > >> ads.  Gues what does that?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Is this also cost shifting?  It's society as a whole that has to pay for the
> > > > >> disruption caused by bogus information.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> These are my opinions.  I hate spam.
> > > > >>
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> > > > Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> > > > Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
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