On 04/06/2025 6:23 AM EDT Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:Thank you very much for this, Daniel. Safe travels, and enjoy your trip. I hope to do it one day as well, to commemorate Dave (and I need to do a lot of other things we were planning to do together, like to attend SpaceX launch etc.)Here is a reminder of Dave's Amtrak trip, if you want to refresh you memory or missed it back then, in 2023: https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/nnagain/2023-October/000286.htmlDave was heading to Netdev 0x17 in Vancouver. His talks and music from the event, if anyone is interested, can be found here:All the best,Frank
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_______________________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagainOn Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 3:21 AM Daniel Ezell <dezell@stonescry.com> wrote:Taking the Coast Starlight tonight. Wanted to compare notes with Dave about it. Sad to have missed the opportunity. So this trip is a memorial to a great guy I never got to meet.
Daniel Ezell
On Oct 28, 2023, at 3:51 AM, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
I just can't even. So many garbage ideas out of Brussels as of late. DSA, DMA, DSM... GDPR in the past, or even that horrible CRA = Cyber Resilience Act:
Good intentions don't count, bad results do. Most of the evil in this world was done by people with good intentions and this is not an exception.
All the best,Frank
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_______________________________________________On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 1:45 AM Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 4:23 PM Nathan Simington via Nnagain
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> This has gone from mere cost-shifting to protocol takeover. Self-hosting is essentially dead because you are guaranteed to get filtered by Outlook and Gmail, which means that there is de facto embrace-and-extend -- "best viewed in Internet Explorer at 800x600" but for a core standard.
This is one of those things that could be reversed if there was law
guaranteeing freedom of communications. That really does not seem to
be the way the world is going, however.
See: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/chat-control/ for example.
I like email (and netnews). You had a copy, the recipients had copies,
and pretty much anyone that had the capability of snooping in-between
had copies. Nobody ever got arround to making starttls mandatory.
Compare this to all the even more centralized, but incompatible chat
systems since, multiple ones that have vanished from the web (g+), and
others that are barely hanging on, like disquis.
Even with the flight to mastodon and other heavily encrypted home
server technologies, email remains the most common, useful and
malleable public identifier for connecting people to people. I would
like to make it better, for everyone, again.
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:48 PM Hal Murray via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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>> [Was Amtrack]
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>> > 2) I could get mad that I figure 80% of this new email list is vanishing into
>> > spam boxes.
>>
>>
>> > What of the 10s of thousands of other emails that have come over the years
>> > not just from lists.bufferbloat.net but from people trying honestly to
>> > communicate?
>>
>> There is/was a good discussion of all the good things that network geeks have
>> done.
>>
>> How about discussing the things they haven't done?
>>
>> Spam would be pretty high on my list. It's tangled up with (in)security -- a
>> lot comes from infected systems or phished accounts.
>>
>> The current approach to spam is cost shifting. If you don't pay for your
>> abuse desk, the crap that you send or phishing sites you host..., means that
>> the rest of the net has to spend more on defense.
>>
>> Anybody remember Spamford Wallace? He was going to setup a spam friendly ISP.
>> Nobody would connect to him. I wonder what would happen if a few ISPs that
>> host a lot of abuse had more troubles getting connected to the net. Would a
>> few well publicized examples be enough to spread the word?
>>
>>
>>
>> High on my list would be dis/mis-information. The business model seems to be
>> to show customers things that will keep them online so you can show them more
>> ads. Gues what does that?
>>
>> Is this also cost shifting? It's society as a whole that has to pay for the
>> disruption caused by bogus information.
>>
>>
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>> These are my opinions. I hate spam.
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