From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from sender3-op-o18.zoho.com (sender3-op-o18.zoho.com [136.143.184.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B77B3B2A4 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 12:06:18 -0400 (EDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1710864376; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=Ao1WdxqCnJlREQaVFNS31Y8Z/19851N6IXugHD0j+IJKPSIBPPyTILCgA89M21oNntjzv/+drkRlH3rMl3WbTYGMaH/r5T3ysVjZGLotkcGalIyduQX4//iy5YNmF5ISoW9IjmW2ysXxA7cuNjpRDCybcLF+P9rcus+uvL531To= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1710864376; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:From:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:Subject:To:To:Message-Id:Reply-To; bh=LIU/2AH5ZywnSvT76gt01NUaLQrWGehhv4BJPuaaWag=; b=Z2WHvbRN22aTM/WW5SjTPwF8+Lh7Gwapl782mMEYQaPQj97qLgVnq6A2OSyOnsRpEG5EUo+Zf6J0swKshVfnvOy4JyC0tzluIDkrS2UyfxGmD3SmWIG5eVDyZcIvyVvxLd3g1AdkUW+PAUw2ncO8maxi/MvRCYwLTk6TSX+R0r0= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=phillywisper.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=mjs@phillywisper.net; dmarc=pass header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1710864376; s=mail; d=phillywisper.net; i=mjs@phillywisper.net; h=Date:Date:From:From:To:To:Cc:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Reply-To; bh=LIU/2AH5ZywnSvT76gt01NUaLQrWGehhv4BJPuaaWag=; b=I4meVbdRELJErfEhO+Q+ZzId7LlAQ2Hc6mQvrJB1AhxkZVzichzkCYK1Iu6FgHyv dDJhoSJ34ieexAyzct8D/7qIWEB3k4nKo9w9FGa34fhAA09qFVIqf8R4Gj7ybg1S2ni sJrTS3qBx7cPnoGlouAfWGvZIDWNzDVMhhg2HcMA= Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1710864375391789.2922427599583; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 09:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 12:06:15 -0400 From: Mark Steckel To: =?UTF-8?Q?=22Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make?= =?UTF-8?Q?_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!=22?= Message-ID: <18e57769e46.ffd8cea91326788.8020925830558388306@phillywisper.net> In-Reply-To: <823sr28n-sq14-ro91-029r-p9o622o7nnrs@ynat.uz> References: <823sr28n-sq14-ro91-029r-p9o622o7nnrs@ynat.uz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Subject: Re: [NNagain] some chatter about the fcc news X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 16:06:18 -0000 ---- On Tue, 19 Mar 2024 12:02:34 -0400 David Lang via Nnagain wrote ---= =20 > they are trying to make it so WISP and especially Starlink don't qualify= as=20 > 'broadband' Does this really matter to consumers? More specifically, do or will consume= rs care to check and base decisions on whether their Internet provider's se= vice that meets FCC "broadband" definition?=20 Or is it a way to restrict federal funding to the big ISPs? >=20 > David Lang >=20 > On Tue, 19 Mar 2024, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: >=20 > > from brett glass: > > > > https://www.broadband.io/c/get-broadband-grant-alerts-news/it-s-on-fcc= -officially-increases-its-broadband-speed-requirement-to-100-20-mbps#commen= t_wrapper_32464006 > > > > This decision is the equivalent of saying, =E2=80=9CIf you don=E2=80= =99t have a > > Cadillac, you don=E2=80=99t have a car.=E2=80=9D > > > > It also confuses =E2=80=9Cspeed=E2=80=9D (an ill-defined term) with ca= pacity, latency, > > jitter, and other factors which do matter, and ridiculously overstates > > the amount of bandwidth needed for common Internet activities. Unless, > > of course, the service is very bad, in which case you can compensate > > somewhat - not completely - by throwing more bandwidth at the problem. > > > > In short, it=E2=80=99s a bad decision, made by politicians who have mo= st > > likely been deceived by corporate lobbyists, rather than the sort of > > rational decision that would be made if the FCC were an apolitical > > expert agency. Or if the Commissioners had even consulted a > > knowledgeable practicing network engineer. (Are there any engineers > > left at the FCC? Or have most of them, like Julie Knapp, retired after > > being frustratingly ignored?) > > > > For my company, a WISP, it means deploying more expensive equipment > > than I need to, when folks don=E2=80=99t need the capacity. (Our quali= ty is so > > good that most of our customers peak at 5-10 Mbps of capacity - the > > data rate is still typically 200-500 Mbps - and don=E2=80=99t need to = pay for > > more, though some do.) This depletes capital, needlessly increases the > > cost of broadband service and discourages uptake of service (we still > > see a lot of folks who rely entirely on cell phones and tethering). > > Yet another example of destructive overregulation and government > > bureaucracy. Government should stay out of the broadband business and > > quit meddling with it. It=E2=80=99s not competent and is doing a LOT m= ore harm > > than good. > > > > > > --=20 > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DN0Tmvv5jJKs Epik Mellon Podcast > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > > _______________________________________________ > > Nnagain mailing list > > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain________________________= _______________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >=20