From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 062E73CB39 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 15:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 107-137-68-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net (104-182-38-69.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [104.182.38.69]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 39CJqiiA018678 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 12 Oct 2023 12:52:44 -0700 Received: from hgm (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by 107-137-68-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D5228C241; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8 To: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net cc: Hal Murray From: Hal Murray In-Reply-To: Message from Jack Haverty via Nnagain of "Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:31:03 -0700." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 12:52:44 -0700 Message-Id: <20231012195244.33D5228C241@107-137-68-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net> X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVZfCy1VGtd6OCooJCxjakue3L1xLIZcJSymAHga4FzIY7se8nuKo/4rUDh2OZ1XHE4HHVmrtpHDAtrwR3ke++O07u0gMcfULN8= X-Sonic-ID: C;XAUF6Thp7hGT80eIR+6Zsg== M;GOsX6Thp7hGT80eIR+6Zsg== X-Spam-Flag: No X-Sonic-Spam-Details: -1.2/5.0 by cerberusd X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 13 Oct 2023 10:44:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [NNagain] Internet Education for Non-technorati? X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:52:47 -0000 Jack Haverty said: > A few days ago I made some comments about the idea of =22educating=22 t= he > lawyers, politicians, and other smart, but not necessarily technically > adept, decision makers. That process might work. Stanford has run programs on cyber security for congressional staffers. >From 2015: Congressional Staffers Headed to Stanford for Cybersecurity Training https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/news/congressional-staffers-headed-stanfor= d-cybe rsecurity-training > Today I saw a news story about a recent FCC action, to mandate =22nutri= tion > labels=22 on Internet services offered by ISPs: Is there a chicken-egg problem in this area? Suppose I had a nutrition-label sort of spec for a retail ISP offering. = How=20 would I know if an installation was meeting the specs? That seems to nee= d a=20 way to collect data -- either stand alone programs or patches to existing= =20 programs like web browsers. Would it make sense to work on those programs now? How much could we lea= rn if=20 volunteers ran those programs and contributed data to a public data base?= How=20 many volunteers would we need to get off the ground? Could servers collect useful data? Consider Zoom, YouTube, gmail, downlo= ads=20 for software updates... --=20 These are my opinions. I hate spam.