From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 332FE3CB47 for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 107-137-68-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net (104-182-38-69.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [104.182.38.69]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 3AHJE191016446 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:14:01 -0800 Received: from hgm (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by 107-137-68-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BE128C20C; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:14:01 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8 To: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_techn?= =?utf-8?q?ical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= From: Hal Murray In-Reply-To: Message from rjmcmahon via Nnagain of "Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:27:56 -0800." <965f84c27d3d7c00ebcbaae5382234cd@rjmcmahon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 11:14:01 -0800 Message-Id: <20231117191401.A6BE128C20C@107-137-68-211.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net> X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVb/0UFBafr5ztSwABd0wNgvaUm2cB8VJr1TmXXCnBoq7t7AIDQ8bjrCFHcDiMw3UMwP6np17mEyCfzWH+Y6BqEr1uAuZVyWpTk= X-Sonic-ID: C;0IqPd32F7hG+bi5nR+6Zsg== M;HBSmd32F7hG+bi5nR+6Zsg== X-Spam-Flag: No X-Sonic-Spam-Details: -1.3/5.0 by cerberusd Subject: Re: [NNagain] Fwd: separable processes for live in-person and live zoom-like faces X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:14:04 -0000 rjmcmahon said: > The human brain is way too complicated to make simplified analysis like this > is the latency required. It's a vast prediction machine and much, much more. I agree that the brain is very complex, but it isn't a total mystery. We can measure some things and work out some timing requirements. Examples: Movies/TV have a minimum frame rate to avoid flicker. Phone systems have a max round trip latency. (I think back in the days of satellites, they decided that one sat link was OK but 2 was too long.) You can measure the time to push a button after a light goes on. That's tangled up with hand/eye coordination for catching a ball or using a mouse. I get (slightly) annoyed by the delay when news shows switch to a (very) remote reporter. I see no reason why a latency requirement couldn't be worked out for something like a Zoom meeting. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.