* [NNagain] I don't know if there is a new FCC NOI... @ 2024-11-30 16:05 Dave Taht 2024-12-01 17:43 ` [NNagain] [Starlink] " Michael Richardson 2024-12-02 13:30 ` Livingood, Jason 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Dave Taht @ 2024-11-30 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time!, Dave Taht via Starlink About the internet this year? In looking over again, this magnificent document from last year... https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit?tab=t.0 I don't know what I would change. Although cited 16 times in the resulting fcc overview, it didn't change the overarching conclusions any. resubmit with a brief cover letter? get more sigs? I would point at the metrics starlink adopted as a model, perhaps: https://api.starlink.com/public-files/StarlinkLatency.pdf and the L4S trial at comcast... It's really bothersome that users still have to go through the contortions this spectrum cable user had to go through last week, and the rest, helpless. https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/1h0reph/comment/lzgdo0j/ -- Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] I don't know if there is a new FCC NOI... 2024-11-30 16:05 [NNagain] I don't know if there is a new FCC NOI Dave Taht @ 2024-12-01 17:43 ` Michael Richardson 2024-12-01 19:36 ` Tanya Weiman 2024-12-01 22:32 ` Frantisek Borsik 2024-12-02 13:30 ` Livingood, Jason 1 sibling, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Michael Richardson @ 2024-12-01 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht Cc: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time!, Dave Taht via Starlink I hadn't seen https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat before. Very pretty. I tried it just now, at the diner, tethered to my phone, hardly surprised to get an F. I wish the mobile carriers cared. Alas, the suggestions at the bottom include IQrouter, which is no longer in production. Probably should include OpenWRT One. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] I don't know if there is a new FCC NOI... 2024-12-01 17:43 ` [NNagain] [Starlink] " Michael Richardson @ 2024-12-01 19:36 ` Tanya Weiman 2024-12-01 22:32 ` Frantisek Borsik 1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Tanya Weiman @ 2024-12-01 19:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! This is cool, thanks!! > On 12/01/2024 12:43 PM EST Michael Richardson via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > > I hadn't seen https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat before. > Very pretty. I tried it just now, at the diner, tethered to my phone, hardly > surprised to get an F. I wish the mobile carriers cared. > Alas, the suggestions at the bottom include IQrouter, which is no longer in > production. Probably should include OpenWRT One. > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] I don't know if there is a new FCC NOI... 2024-12-01 17:43 ` [NNagain] [Starlink] " Michael Richardson 2024-12-01 19:36 ` Tanya Weiman @ 2024-12-01 22:32 ` Frantisek Borsik 2024-12-02 3:01 ` Robert McMahon 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Frantisek Borsik @ 2024-12-01 22:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time!, Michael Richardson [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1181 bytes --] Good catch, Michael. Forwarded it to Sina, CEO Waveform. All the best, Frank Frantisek (Frank) Borsik https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 Skype: casioa5302ca frantisek.borsik@gmail.com On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 6:43 PM Michael Richardson via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > I hadn't seen https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat before. > Very pretty. I tried it just now, at the diner, tethered to my phone, > hardly > surprised to get an F. I wish the mobile carriers cared. > Alas, the suggestions at the bottom include IQrouter, which is no longer in > production. Probably should include OpenWRT One. > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT > architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3067 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] I don't know if there is a new FCC NOI... 2024-12-01 22:32 ` Frantisek Borsik @ 2024-12-02 3:01 ` Robert McMahon 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Robert McMahon @ 2024-12-02 3:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! Cc: Michael Richardson, Frantisek Borsik [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 6662 bytes --] I'm seeing something interesting using fq_codel, protectcli vault and opnsense. The background load going active cause the responses per second to increase and the bb times to go from 15 ms to 10 ms. I added four upstream TCP streams (not shown) during the yellow time slots and the bounceback delay became lesser! rjmcmahon@fedora:~/Code/bloat/iperf2-code$ iperf -c <my-cloud-server> -i 1 -e --bounceback -t 60 --hide-ips ------------------------------------------------------------ Client connecting to (**hidden**), TCP port 5001 with pid 87070 (1/0 flows/load) Bounceback test (req/reply size = 100 Byte/ 100 Byte) (server hold req=0 usecs & tcp_quickack) Bursting request 10 times every 1.00 second(s) TCP congestion control using cubic TOS defaults to 0x0 (dscp=0,ecn=0) and nodelay (Nagle off) TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default) ------------------------------------------------------------ [ 1] local *.*.*.59%enp4s0 port 56380 connected with *.*.*.123 port 5001 (bb w/quickack req/reply/hold=100/100/0) (icwnd/mss/irtt=14/1448/10624) (ct=10.71 ms) on 2024-12-01 13:49:05.856 (PST) [ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth BB cnt=avg/min/max/stdev Rtry Cwnd(pkts)/RTT(var) Tx/Rx bytes RPS(avg) [ 1] 0.00-1.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=15.609/11.041/19.933/2.256 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=64 [ 1] 1.00-2.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.806/11.047/16.801/1.918 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=68 [ 1] 2.00-3.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=13.946/10.260/16.458/2.416 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=72 [ 1] 3.00-4.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.997/10.714/16.314/1.579 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=67 [ 1] 4.00-5.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.612/11.687/15.938/1.504 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=68 [ 1] 5.00-6.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.919/11.177/15.786/1.339 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=67 [ 1] 6.00-7.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.381/10.485/16.311/2.250 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=70 [ 1] 7.00-8.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.221/10.669/17.170/2.404 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=70 [ 1] 8.00-9.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.417/11.493/16.045/1.400 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=69 [ 1] 9.00-10.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=12.815/11.467/13.680/0.694 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=78 *[ 1] 10.00-11.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=10.200/9.071/11.488/0.903 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=98[ 1] 11.00-12.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=10.236/8.838/11.345/0.807 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=98[ 1] 12.00-13.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=9.560/8.512/11.301/0.782 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=105[ 1] 13.00-14.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=9.939/9.245/10.944/0.552 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=101[ 1] 14.00-15.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=13.722/12.576/15.569/0.855 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=73[ 1] 15.00-16.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=11.856/10.674/12.693/0.624 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=84[ 1] 16.00-17.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=10.260/8.872/11.085/0.652 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=97[ 1] 17.00-18.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=10.044/9.152/11.054/0.755 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=100[ 1] 18.00-19.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=10.199/8.724/11.377/0.928 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=98* [ 1] 19.00-20.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.831/11.103/18.682/1.886 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=67 [ 1] 20.00-21.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.657/11.171/15.684/1.574 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=68 [ 1] 21.00-22.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=15.283/10.757/18.079/2.311 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=65 [ 1] 22.00-23.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.960/10.551/16.555/1.991 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=67 [ 1] 23.00-24.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.699/10.847/16.979/1.815 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=68 [ 1] 24.00-25.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.240/10.476/15.544/1.733 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=70 [ 1] 25.00-26.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=14.230/10.513/15.785/1.972 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=70 [ 1] 26.00-27.00 sec 1.95 KBytes 16.0 Kbits/sec 10=13.530/10.297/15.595/2.433 ms 0 0K/(0)/0(0) us Tx=1000 Byte Rx=1000 Byte RPS=74 Bob On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 2:32 PM Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Good catch, Michael. Forwarded it to Sina, CEO Waveform. > > All the best, > > Frank > > Frantisek (Frank) Borsik > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/frantisekborsik > > Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp: +421919416714 > > iMessage, mobile: +420775230885 > > Skype: casioa5302ca > > frantisek.borsik@gmail.com > > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 6:43 PM Michael Richardson via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> I hadn't seen https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat before. >> Very pretty. I tried it just now, at the diner, tethered to my phone, >> hardly >> surprised to get an F. I wish the mobile carriers cared. >> Alas, the suggestions at the bottom include IQrouter, which is no longer >> in >> production. Probably should include OpenWRT One. >> >> -- >> ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh >> networks [ >> ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT >> architect [ >> ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on >> rails [ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 9302 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] I don't know if there is a new FCC NOI... 2024-11-30 16:05 [NNagain] I don't know if there is a new FCC NOI Dave Taht 2024-12-01 17:43 ` [NNagain] [Starlink] " Michael Richardson @ 2024-12-02 13:30 ` Livingood, Jason 2024-12-02 23:50 ` Robert McMahon 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Livingood, Jason @ 2024-12-02 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Taht, Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time!, Dave Taht via Starlink > About the internet this year? There is nothing happening until the new FCC chair takes over, under the new administration. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: [NNagain] [Starlink] I don't know if there is a new FCC NOI... 2024-12-02 13:30 ` Livingood, Jason @ 2024-12-02 23:50 ` Robert McMahon 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Robert McMahon @ 2024-12-02 23:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! Cc: Dave Taht, Dave Taht via Starlink, Livingood, Jason [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1249 bytes --] The FCC won't block people or companies from building products & services around Fi-Wi in premise networks. So don't hold back on that. The sooner we fix in premise the better. We also need to fix journalism. Social networks aren't cutting it. Also, the mobile phone needs to be deprecated. Maybe some innovation on the device side of things? Generally speaking, we seem to have abandoned the idea of using markets to pay people rather instead have distorted things, e.g. abuse peoples' privacy rights in the name of selling our information to unscrupulous advertisers. Part of that fix is a digital payment system where it's funded by users and not by advertisers. Our communications systems need a lot of work at all levels. The industry seems distracted by AI or LEO. Fix the foundations first. My $0.02, Bob On Mon, Dec 2, 2024 at 5:30 AM Livingood, Jason via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > > About the internet this year? > > There is nothing happening until the new FCC chair takes over, under the > new administration. > > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1804 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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