From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B0563CB37; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) by bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7A5171B25F; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:24:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bobcat.rjmcmahon.com 7A5171B25F DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rjmcmahon.com; s=bobcat; t=1701221065; bh=8VmNb45bJS0JQm8Ep00rAzWgy7GbFLujDBijYh1dP/M=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=ihlY4rAfAEJVGpSZTks+cni5W2WNIxEuexSoYxssrtqHeRISKLb6HkGvM4biXVOFE Rlo3PCmuvb0doePLrllGci9Kmk5dTPOSbo4xyG7Ienusr9Z/y1XO4/2vd6KETrpE+g 9ze6GbVGbtYBLK2Gapvjp1V8JGfLr393A3SM2fi8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:24:25 -0800 From: rjmcmahon To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_a?= =?UTF-8?Q?spects_heard_this_time!?= Cc: bloat , Dave Taht via Starlink , Dave Taht In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2831efc96fa3c1cc11a5d3130bc45707@rjmcmahon.com> X-Sender: rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [NNagain] massively less drafty FCC NOI response on raising the broadband standard speeds X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:24:26 -0000 I think I'm being schedule to present iperf 2 to the FCC TAC sometime in January 2024. I'll know more soon. I plan to have a hands on session, going over o) WiFi/Broadband key latency technologies o) Iperf 2 tooling and metrics, including bloat (in units of memory) o) A WiFi diagnostics latency panel from a chip perspective o) Suggested actions the FCC TAC can take to facilitate better in home wireless networks to support low latency needs of all Americans The assumption is they realize that low latency is long overdue and that solutions are in the realm of today's engineering and, of course, nature's physics. Bob > I would like to thank everyone that lept into making a contribution to > this document today! It is in much better shape than it was yesterday. > 2 days to go!!! > > Please comment on the document here: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit > > If you like where the document is going, please put in your signature. > I will submit a final draft for global review a few hours before the > deadline. > > I would also like to humbly thank Steve Crocker for contributing $500 > to the gofundme drive for this effort. Steve is the author of the very > first RFC[1], which defined the processes by which the Arpanet and > internet were defined and refined, to this day. He made many other > fundamental contributions along the way. RFC1's history is well worth > reviewing: > > https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2015/04/46-years-of-rfcs-celebrating-the-anniversary-of-rfc-1/ > > I am hoping our efforts here, this week, lay a foundation for a much > better internet moving forward! > > A huge thanks to all the other donors to date also! Aside from > gratitude I do not know what to say. I sent "Tanya" my last "this > machine kills vogons" sticker, but I have new one - since I have > mellowed - that says "This Machine CURES Vogons" - would anyone want > one of these?), bringing the sum to a magical $1111 as I write. This > is more than enough for a press release! When we did the successful > make-wifi-fast fcc fight, we also brought on board a media manager, > did some outreach, and my uni (karstaad) threw in for a plane ticket > to fly to Washington, and the total cost was about 12k all told. > Presently I plan to focus on getting a good document in by the > deadline, with as many signatures as possible, and do PR later. > > gofundme link: https://gofund.me/c1f3ad18 > > PS I would also like to thank "robert" for throwing in $250 (via other > means), although I am not sure if he was throwing in to keep the flent > fleet alive or this effort. > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 4:42 AM Dave Taht wrote: >> >> This is so drafty that normally I would not be distributing it this >> early, but family matters have intruded overmuch (in a good way, I >> hope everyone had a great thanksgiving!!) and the Dec 1 deadline is >> looming.. >> >> Co-authors (and commentors) desired! I primarily wanted to hit >> latency, latency under load, bufferbloat, as usual, as well as MTBF >> and MTTR as well as how complex networks are, . Just three pages, + >> repeatable experiments in the appendix, so at least those are in the >> public record. Cite the bitag latency report, and this cloudflare >> piece, especially: >> >> https://blog.cloudflare.com/making-home-internet-faster/ >> >> Anyway the far too drafty draft is here: >> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY4vH4/edit?usp=sharing >> >> In terms of things not flowing for me the concept of equating the need >> for more bandwidth as a solution to everything... to the "chewbacca >> defense" is entertaining but possibly not useful. People are already >> telling me the conclusion is too strong, and it's 4:30 AM, and I am >> going back to bed. >> >> Please comment there, and not here. Thanks for any spare brain cells >> you might have! gnight. >> >> -- >> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab >> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos