[NNagain] What is the difference between "broadband" and "Internet"?

[NNagain] What is the difference between "broadband" and "Internet"?

[Dave Taht]

I was at the netdev conference last week, and attempting to attend to
some extent, remotely this week's IETF conference in prague. I have
two long emails piled up, and 6+ responses to existing threads. I do
look forward to more folk finding useful and accurate information
(thank you all for posting your perspectives). Newcomers to the list
(we had about a dozen people join and 3 exit) should please scan
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/pipermail/nnagain/2023-October/thread.html
 for topics!

Two things that went by my eyeballs this past week:

https://www.lightreading.com/5g/the-telecom-industry-looks-rotten-to-the-core

Given how much the definitions of NN were weakened in the first place
with "reasonable this" or reasonable that, as discussed in the UK and
germany threads above...

I do not know what the real fight is about anymore. Stay tuned for
"more lawyer v lawyer action!".

https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/10/the-fccs-net-neutrality-plan-is-unjustified-and-harmful/

One of the things on my list for this week is trying to understand
what differences, if any, exist, in regulation, between "wired
broadband" verse various forms of fixed wireless (5G's recent
penetration into FWA notwithstanding, many better technologies exist
and are far more widely deployed) , verses mobile wireless? To me,
it's all "internet". Is there a fundamental legal difference between
"broadband" and internet?

Similarly "licensed vs unlicensed" spectrum has got a bit vague with
the wifi 6e rules regarding reporting location and height and power.

-- 
Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

Re: [NNagain] What is the difference between "broadband" and "Internet"?

[Livingood, Jason]

On 11/6/23, 13:48, "Nnagain on behalf of Dave Taht via Nnagain" <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net 

> https://www.lightreading.com/5g/the-telecom-industry-looks-rotten-to-the-core "The telecom industry looks rotten to the core"

The author says "telecom" but more narrowly seems to define it as 5G equipment vendors and maybe also MNOs. Putting aside the hyperbole of the title, it seems to me there's a normal technology transition happening. The tech stack in mobile is a little behind-the-times IMO - most MNOs seem to still rely on vertically integrated single-vendor solutions. OpenRAN seems like one approach to try to disaggregate the various functional components of a 5G network. As that happens, MNOs may take on more of a software integration role from the traditional vendors and eventually even software dev in some areas, with a shift of labor need from the legacy vendors to others. But that is just my guess - I only observe 5G networks from afar.  

JL

Re: [NNagain] What is the difference between "broadband" and "Internet"?

[Livingood, Jason]

On 11/6/23, 13:48, "Nnagain on behalf of Dave Taht via Nnagain" <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net 

> One of the things on my list for this week is trying to understand
what differences, if any, exist, in regulation, between "wired
broadband" verse various forms of fixed wireless (5G's recent
penetration into FWA notwithstanding, many better technologies exist
and are far more widely deployed) , verses mobile wireless? To me,
it's all "internet". Is there a fundamental legal difference between
"broadband" and internet?

In the US at least, it seems like the last time this was considered was more in the 4G era - so no 5G, 5G FWA, LEO - and there was less spectrum. So, while IANAL, it seems like the MNOs were permitted extra 'network management' leeway as compared with wireline in acknowledgement of those relative limitations (that are now alleviated). It sort of seems like the FCC is updating their view of this now that all the technical & spectrum changes have happened and is viewing it more as fixed (via whatever access tech) vs mobile - which seems more logical in my personal view. That is especially the case if you consider it from a consumer standpoint, where they will not much care about the last mile tech - be that WiFi or 5G FWA or FTTP or DOCSIS - but more what network / service qualities does it deliver & I think they expect the same ISP rules no matter what. 

I think you can probably see this playing out across the various NPRMs and NOIs from the FCC - such as the recent one on the definition of broadband (https://www.telecompetitor.com/fcc-gets-set-to-increase-broadband-speed-definition-to-100-20-mbps/). 

JL