From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E19E3CB4B for ; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 17:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rjmcmahon.com (bobcat.rjmcmahon.com [45.33.58.123]) by bobcat.rjmcmahon.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 35BDC1B252; Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:56:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bobcat.rjmcmahon.com 35BDC1B252 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rjmcmahon.com; s=bobcat; t=1700261789; bh=HL7s/JwC32UAlmj43ejNphAZHq6DXdcoS8tMq7v45Nc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=XOlc5v8CEe6gSticGz2eB8gtJsJS04HYi4buoHY/juglOZfD45Ghha/QYuvr9Q6b2 CefRDwGXo4gI5DTbfi8x7ioRxmImPVoBavI+6sWqSfDgH9nv4zn7XV+6ycjQHmrxFq lNwtGW6rEni+f/5l1F0BIBhbTfVj15Uvfx9D6EbU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 14:56:29 -0800 From: rjmcmahon To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_a?= =?UTF-8?Q?spects_heard_this_time!?= In-Reply-To: <647406f6-9895-4b53-8cad-2e3183e8d723@3kitty.org> References: <938D9D45-DADA-4291-BD8A-84E4257CEE49@apple.com> <647406f6-9895-4b53-8cad-2e3183e8d723@3kitty.org> Message-ID: <59331e1632a26aae505e8231881a80db@rjmcmahon.com> X-Sender: rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [NNagain] A quick report from the WISPA conference X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 22:56:30 -0000 The WiFi Alliance does certification for WiFi products. https://www.wi-fi.org/ They've adopted iperf 2 for latency tests. Bob > On 11/17/23 11:27, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: > >> one of the things we really wished existed was a standardized way to >> >> test latency and throughput to routers. It would be super helpful if >> >> there was a standard in consumer routers that allowed users to both >> ping >> and fetch 0kB fils from their routers, and also run download/upload >> >> tests. > > Back when I was involved in operating a network, we tried to track > latency and throughput by standard ping and related tests. We > discovered that, in addition to the network conditions, the results > were often dependent on the particular equipment and software involved > at the time. Some companies treated ping traffic (e.g., anything > directed to the "echo" port) as low priority since it was obviously > (to them) less important than any other traffic. Others treated such > traffic as high priority - it made their results in review articles > look better. > > In another case we discovered one brand of desktop computer was > achieved much higher throughputs over the net than similar products > from other manufacturers. It took some serious technical > investigation but we eventually discovered that the high throughput > was achieved by violating the Ethernet specification. The offending > vendor didn't follow the rules about timing. But their test results > looked much better than the competition. > > IMHO the root of the problem is that you can not assume much about > what any software and hardware are doing. There are lots of specs, > standards, and mandates in RFCs or even governmental rules and > regulations. But lacking any kind of testing or certification, it's > difficult to tell if those "standards" are actually being followed. > If someone, technical organization or government regulator, declares > or legislates some protocol, algorithm, or behavior to be a required > "standard", it should be accompanied by mechanisms and processes for > testing to verify that the standard is implemented correctly and is > actually used, and certification so that purchasers are informed. > > Jack Haverty > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain