From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from butterfly.birch.relay.mailchannels.net (butterfly.birch.relay.mailchannels.net [23.83.209.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2D7B3CB37 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2023 11:30:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|andy@andyring.com Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A255023FB for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2023 15:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a234.dreamhost.com (unknown [127.0.0.6]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B7796501CFE for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2023 15:30:25 +0000 (UTC) ARC-Seal: i=1; s=arc-2022; d=mailchannels.net; t=1696260625; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=sZR1cC0OO/O/JORl2+Pndldh7dvodCdv8KZXmyCSGekwnZ3x/8wRT3jLPUNBfk8n/k+ptX /lGHk/eHvCHKlglV/VXrrG4pztkn06w+HNxsEmn904J6jasncS8Ka6pdcXB3rO9YpsYn1v Z2xz25W19lDYDyLopt0jm87feGI1dKQU2mb7VU7VE6HmmRU6HAMIMQmoWyEySJH7TplfaV A7s2KXEqpCdqGRdAfYrwNGW3n4ghS+YbHfIuR8Jx9ra2I9hc/kTACeRaYa8IMWjuPZbK0/ nH0t2mxOiL/JQ99Tedg96d38+u2NQ1txf6w45FuSR2NhJHWdjAY+n+hIkAYUZA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mailchannels.net; s=arc-2022; t=1696260625; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:dkim-signature; bh=M7yz3Y/daBUuLuPRhyMtSeFZCs9wCXj/rZ1ec7xcXg8=; b=9RM86UqVtpkNt3Eoz+H5y8+Py8RYoiedhQ8MdzR12V9Ea+RTlngJlXm1WkjQ201PJaLgNW l71T6kd4GcWM5JHmalYTB1Q9quWk6M4VXufjmQHIN2lGl2mEyiqaforB17h3nqyLYTH4QV Z7JABG0q+qzm+d7UmzChyPDE2Fg4xsngoHLU6HLK4VbWkUHt/wXbGSfzO7lTQXgN6RJinf dluevwqbWIPt/CWH3V15SvNC/EZODmQByXtFn4hGv2EMLvp9bFT0j2zWWXeZk3I6UuYSK7 4Vggk6PL2JHLQ48TnosONSUQZuYfiVn5PwutUe/k7D6v7vTgffNC6aCJsViHJA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; rspamd-7d5dc8fd68-9nr4b; auth=pass smtp.auth=dreamhost smtp.mailfrom=andy@andyring.com X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|andy@andyring.com X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|andy@andyring.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Abortive-Irritate: 34afbf914cd389df_1696260625968_891266667 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1696260625968:3909716059 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1696260625968 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a234.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by 100.109.110.212 (trex/6.9.1); Mon, 02 Oct 2023 15:30:25 +0000 Received: from smtpclient.apple (167-248-62-201.oa02.lnk04.ne.dynamic.allophone.net [167.248.62.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: andy@andyring.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a234.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4RzlJd2QvRzQB for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2023 08:30:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=andyring.com; s=dreamhost; t=1696260625; bh=M7yz3Y/daBUuLuPRhyMtSeFZCs9wCXj/rZ1ec7xcXg8=; h=From:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Subject:Date:To; b=Pt3jNQcY8zqL6xS/CYw0ADS/8ImytDeNWQyx3dDi6jsP8UQZWk2I9QqDjff++Ex23 oegvHizOFKrsWugH9SF1VRF89yU+oSYWqAqILnKsJ38O9yVlUKdiPrNgFczAzwLAHn ap/CbZUlovv0nPoVSHuiSSJJy+BtmTfy+PE3/jXteYAzy+AsP3bDUNO6Wr4l/7l2vD ttPFA82/LJAsojMl5v3YE/DPhNlpaHpSlIsDwbKSlVhWr9k4Q+x+YgDciv2qqUyql+ EhnbUjyU9T+HxLHU04dBbVL2+QV5dt6soXl77r1MJlQUyB0TOca3fTtV5CG3+ik2Qq 2vlJkg7Q0eyIg== From: Andy Ringsmuth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.100.2.1.4\)) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2023 10:30:24 -0500 References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?utf-8?Q?pects_heard_this_time!?= In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <6D7F7242-248B-4FD4-BEDA-EE931B7DFE3C@andyring.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.100.2.1.4) Subject: Re: [NNagain] On "Throttling" behaviors X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2023 15:30:28 -0000 > On Oct 1, 2023, at 8:34=E2=80=AFPM, dan via Nnagain = wrote: >=20 > I think a big problem with Net Neutrality is it's sort of a topic for = providers and not for end users. Most end users have no concept of what = it is, why it's good or bad, and if they have a compliant service or = not. They confuse 'speed' with packet loss and latency. Except that=E2=80=99s not true. During the Obama years when this was = being talked about, TPTB (the powers that be) were able to get a = significant number of end users all whipped into a frenzy over it, = legitimately or not, and it was being hammered all over the media and = social networks. Agreed, end users don=E2=80=99t generally understand it on a technical = level or the nuances of implementing it and all that, but boy can they = be vocal about it. It VERY QUICKLY delved into =E2=80=9CWaaahhh, we need = it because Trump will take away CNN!!!=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CWaahhhh, we = need it because Biden will take away Fox News!!!" ---- Andy Ringsmuth 5609 Harding Drive Lincoln, NE 68521-5831 (402) 202-1230 andy@andyring.com =E2=80=9CA private central bank issuing the public currency is a greater = menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army. We must not = let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.=E2=80=9D -Thomas Jefferson