From: "Dick Roy" <dickroy@alum.mit.edu>
To: "'Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects
heard this time!'" <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Cc: "'Livingood, Jason'" <jlivin00@comcast.com>
Subject: Re: [NNagain] On "Throttling" behaviors
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2023 15:17:34 -0700 [thread overview]
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Has anyone done an analysis of the capacity of FWA systems (in
bits/sec/Hz/km^3)???? I am suspicious that the capacity falls way short of
that which cable guys have at their disposal, and that as the FWA networks
get loaded, performance is going to degrade dramatically ultimately
resulting in churn back to the cable guys. It's very expensive to compete
with already sunk FTTH or even FTTC.
RR
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From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of
Livingood, Jason via Nnagain
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2023 1:25 PM
To: Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this
time!
Cc: Livingood, Jason
Subject: Re: [NNagain] On "Throttling" behaviors
> On 10/4/23, 13:45, "Nnagain on behalf of David Lang via Nnagain"
<nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net
<mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
> It's an unfortunate fact of reality that the enviornment in the US is one
where
there is very little competition in the ISP space
The SEC 10-K filings of ISPs no longer support that. Most wireline ISPs are
losing subscribers (at material levels) to one of the three new national 5G
FWA ISPs (Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T). In addition, we will in a few years see
the effects of $45B+ of grant money dedicated to underwrite new broadband
access network construction - that is also pretty material.
Per https://telecoms.com/523519/growth-in-5g-fwa-kit-matches-operator-hype/
- " 5G FWA customer premises equipment shipments more than doubled to 7.4
million last year and should reach 13.8 million – that’s 86% growth – this
year "
- " The GSA survey shows overall FWA CPE shipments of 25.5 million units
last year, "
- " Statistics shared by Leichtman Research Group recently showed that
T-Mobile and Verizon together recorded the best part of 900,000 5G FWA net
adds in the second quarter of this year, significantly more than the
virtually flat cable segment and ahead of the wireline broadband market,
which lost almost 62,000 customers in the three months. "
JL
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2023-10-01 17:15 [NNagain] Some backstory on the nn-again mailing list Dave Taht
2023-10-01 18:56 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-10-01 19:51 ` [NNagain] On "Throttling" behaviors Dave Taht
2023-10-01 20:50 ` Dave Cohen
2023-10-01 22:01 ` Patrick Maupin
2023-10-02 1:34 ` dan
2023-10-02 7:28 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 16:29 ` dan
2023-10-04 7:30 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 15:30 ` Andy Ringsmuth
2023-10-02 18:28 ` Nathan Loofbourrow
2023-10-02 20:34 ` Colin_Higbie
2023-10-02 21:04 ` Dave Cohen
2023-10-02 21:07 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-02 21:43 ` Colin_Higbie
2023-10-02 21:55 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-03 19:29 ` Colin_Higbie
2023-10-03 19:45 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-04 0:57 ` David Lang
2023-10-03 7:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-03 8:10 ` Karl Auerbach
2023-10-03 14:41 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-03 15:34 ` dan
2023-10-03 16:54 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-03 17:55 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-03 18:09 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-10-03 18:14 ` dan
2023-10-03 19:44 ` Dick Roy
2023-10-03 18:10 ` dan
2023-10-03 19:23 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-04 1:05 ` David Lang
2023-10-04 0:39 ` David Lang
2023-10-03 20:26 ` Colin_Higbie
2023-10-03 21:40 ` dan
2023-10-04 15:56 ` Colin_Higbie
2023-10-04 17:45 ` David Lang
2023-10-05 20:24 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-10-05 22:17 ` Dick Roy [this message]
2023-10-05 22:47 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-10-05 22:53 ` Dave Cohen
2023-10-06 15:56 ` Dick Roy
2023-10-06 15:58 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-04 17:59 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-04 19:26 ` Dick Roy
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2023-10-05 8:44 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-05 19:07 ` David Lang
2023-10-03 23:17 ` Mark Steckel
2023-10-04 7:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 6:48 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 13:43 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-10-02 14:51 ` Mark Steckel
2023-10-02 18:09 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-10-02 18:15 ` Patrick Maupin
2023-10-02 19:18 ` Dick Roy
2023-10-02 6:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 13:27 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-10-02 6:06 ` [NNagain] Some backstory on the nn-again mailing list Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 12:36 ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2023-10-03 7:15 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 20:18 [NNagain] On "Throttling" behaviors Livingood, Jason
2023-10-02 20:28 ` Dick Roy
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