Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

[Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>]

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The hackathon element requires in person with equipment. So there's that too.

⁣Bob

On Nov 15, 2023, 4:27 PM, at 4:27 PM, Jack Haverty via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>Interesting!   I noticed that participants are limited to receive-only,
>
>with only one able to speak at any time.  From the guide:
>
>"The general expectation is that participants will send audio or video
>/only/ when recognized by a session chair as part of the queue."
>
>That seems rather different from a virtual meeting in which hearty
>discussions, arguments, interruptions, whispered side-discussions, and
>such could approximate an in-person meeting.  It seems more like an
>audience watching a series of remote presentations than a forum for
>discussions and debates, hallway encounters, and such.
>
>If that's a "remote experience as good as possible", what are the
>limiting factor(s) preventing a richer form of interactions?    Is it
>IETF policy, unwritten software, inadequate network performance, or ???
>
>Are there any measurements taken?   Do the remote participants feel
>that
>they can participate as well as if they were onsite?   Does the
>experience vary depending on how remote you are from the meeting
>venue? 
>How does the network bandwidth and delay behave during meetings?
>
>Jack Haverty
>
>
>On 11/14/23 12:52, Livingood, Jason wrote:
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>> > And IIRC during covid, didn't the IETF do online only meetings?
>>
>> Yes, we did! The IETF pivoted in March 2020 to fully virtual with 701
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>> remote attendees. That continued for 2 years until March 2022 when we
>
>> started having in-person again – and since that time they have been
>> hybrid (and will continue to be so). The IETF also invested quite a
>> lot in online meeting tools
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><https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/technology/meetecho-guide-participant/>
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>> & supporting systems to try to make the remote experience as good as
>> possible.
>>
>> IETF 118
>>
>> November 04-10, 2023, Prague, Czech Republic & Online
>>
>> 1067 onsite attendees
>>
>> 739 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 117
>>
>> July 22-28, 2023, San Francisco, California & Online
>>
>> 890 onsite attendees
>>
>> 544 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 116
>>
>> March 25-31, 2023, Yokohama, Japan & Online
>>
>> 993 onsite attendees
>>
>> 594 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 115
>>
>> November 5-11, 2022, London, UK & Online
>>
>> 849 onsite attendees
>>
>> 667 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 114
>>
>> July 23-29, 2022, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania & Online
>>
>> 618 onsite attendees
>>
>> 675 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 113
>>
>> March 19-25, 2022, Vienna, Austria & Online
>>
>> 314 onsite attendees
>>
>> 976 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 112
>>
>> November 08-12, 2021, Online
>>
>> 1177 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 111
>>
>> July 26-30, 2021, Online
>>
>> 1206 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 110
>>
>> March 8-12, 2021, Online
>>
>> 1177 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 109
>>
>> November 16-20, 2020, Online
>>
>> 1061 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 108
>>
>> July 27-31, 2020, Online
>>
>> 1102 remote attendees
>>
>> IETF 107
>>
>> March 23-27, 2020, Virtual
>>
>> 701 remote attendees
>>
>> //end//
>>
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