The hackathon element requires in person with equipment. So there's that too. ⁣Bob On Nov 15, 2023, 4:27 PM, at 4:27 PM, Jack Haverty via Nnagain wrote: >Interesting!   I noticed that participants are limited to receive-only, > >with only one able to speak at any time.  From the guide: > >"The general expectation is that participants will send audio or video >/only/ when recognized by a session chair as part of the queue." > >That seems rather different from a virtual meeting in which hearty >discussions, arguments, interruptions, whispered side-discussions, and >such could approximate an in-person meeting.  It seems more like an >audience watching a series of remote presentations than a forum for >discussions and debates, hallway encounters, and such. > >If that's a "remote experience as good as possible", what are the >limiting factor(s) preventing a richer form of interactions?    Is it >IETF policy, unwritten software, inadequate network performance, or ??? > >Are there any measurements taken?   Do the remote participants feel >that >they can participate as well as if they were onsite?   Does the >experience vary depending on how remote you are from the meeting >venue?  >How does the network bandwidth and delay behave during meetings? > >Jack Haverty > > >On 11/14/23 12:52, Livingood, Jason wrote: >> >> > And IIRC during covid, didn't the IETF do online only meetings? >> >> Yes, we did! The IETF pivoted in March 2020 to fully virtual with 701 > >> remote attendees. That continued for 2 years until March 2022 when we > >> started having in-person again – and since that time they have been >> hybrid (and will continue to be so). The IETF also invested quite a >> lot in online meeting tools >> > > >> & supporting systems to try to make the remote experience as good as >> possible. >> >> IETF 118 >> >> November 04-10, 2023, Prague, Czech Republic & Online >> >> 1067 onsite attendees >> >> 739 remote attendees >> >> IETF 117 >> >> July 22-28, 2023, San Francisco, California & Online >> >> 890 onsite attendees >> >> 544 remote attendees >> >> IETF 116 >> >> March 25-31, 2023, Yokohama, Japan & Online >> >> 993 onsite attendees >> >> 594 remote attendees >> >> IETF 115 >> >> November 5-11, 2022, London, UK & Online >> >> 849 onsite attendees >> >> 667 remote attendees >> >> IETF 114 >> >> July 23-29, 2022, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania & Online >> >> 618 onsite attendees >> >> 675 remote attendees >> >> IETF 113 >> >> March 19-25, 2022, Vienna, Austria & Online >> >> 314 onsite attendees >> >> 976 remote attendees >> >> IETF 112 >> >> November 08-12, 2021, Online >> >> 1177 remote attendees >> >> IETF 111 >> >> July 26-30, 2021, Online >> >> 1206 remote attendees >> >> IETF 110 >> >> March 8-12, 2021, Online >> >> 1177 remote attendees >> >> IETF 109 >> >> November 16-20, 2020, Online >> >> 1061 remote attendees >> >> IETF 108 >> >> July 27-31, 2020, Online >> >> 1102 remote attendees >> >> IETF 107 >> >> March 23-27, 2020, Virtual >> >> 701 remote attendees >> >> //end// >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Nnagain mailing list >Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain