The hackathon element requires in person with equipment. So there's that too.

Bob
On Nov 15, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Jack Haverty via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Interesting!   I noticed that participants are limited to receive-only, with only one able to speak at any time.  From the guide:

"The general expectation is that participants will send audio or video only when recognized by a session chair as part of the queue."

That seems rather different from a virtual meeting in which hearty discussions, arguments, interruptions, whispered side-discussions, and such could approximate an in-person meeting.  It seems more like an audience watching a series of remote presentations than a forum for discussions and debates, hallway encounters, and such. 

If that's a "remote experience as good as possible", what are the limiting factor(s) preventing a richer form of interactions?    Is it IETF policy, unwritten software, inadequate network performance, or ???

Are there any measurements taken?   Do the remote participants feel that they can participate as well as if they were onsite?   Does the experience vary depending on how remote you are from the meeting venue?  How does the network bandwidth and delay behave during meetings?

Jack Haverty


On 11/14/23 12:52, Livingood, Jason wrote:

> And IIRC during covid, didn't the IETF do online only meetings?

Yes, we did! The IETF pivoted in March 2020 to fully virtual with 701 remote attendees. That continued for 2 years until March 2022 when we started having in-person again – and since that time they have been hybrid (and will continue to be so). The IETF also invested quite a lot in online meeting tools & supporting systems to try to make the remote experience as good as possible.  

 

IETF 118

November 04-10, 2023, Prague, Czech Republic & Online

1067 onsite attendees

739 remote attendees

 

IETF 117

July 22-28, 2023, San Francisco, California & Online

890 onsite attendees

544 remote attendees

 

IETF 116

March 25-31, 2023, Yokohama, Japan & Online

993 onsite attendees

594 remote attendees

 

IETF 115

November 5-11, 2022, London, UK & Online

849 onsite attendees

667 remote attendees

 

IETF 114

July 23-29, 2022, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania & Online

618 onsite attendees

675 remote attendees

 

IETF 113

March 19-25, 2022, Vienna, Austria & Online

314 onsite attendees

976 remote attendees

 

IETF 112

November 08-12, 2021, Online

1177 remote attendees

 

IETF 111

July 26-30, 2021, Online

1206 remote attendees

 

IETF 110

March 8-12, 2021, Online

1177 remote attendees

 

IETF 109

November 16-20, 2020, Online

1061 remote attendees

 

IETF 108

July 27-31, 2020, Online

1102 remote attendees

 

IETF 107

March 23-27, 2020, Virtual

701 remote attendees

 

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