From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail104.out.titan.email (mail104.out.titan.email [44.218.186.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B35D3B29D for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 18:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out.flockmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-out.flockmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402FC10005E for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 23:17:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; bh=SDtkwVwZf7lYcVunSojcBKGmbME0y5n7vTI724nZ2rs=; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=3kitty.org; h=from:message-id:date:mime-version:subject:in-reply-to:to:references:from:to:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to:references:cc:reply-to; q=dns/txt; s=titan1; t=1709075835; v=1; b=IP+KPZY+ymV9A7jvB0PQyxs3zfg7Y3wpHUf+UHEnuycCV+fO0ZoKzeNp2d+uMGan5iISe/gx K8yX5ZYELHPNehjzuupQlgcMglo4koMCI7qc6xCS0zB23QZcE5861EB5NGjW+3+2C48Y8kA3fa+ hc6qHcAegWwvYxNuibbkeRB4= Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-76-137-180-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.137.180.175]) by smtp-out.flockmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id C03AD10007E for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2024 23:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <71063fa7-ba1b-4da8-8252-73b1ff2dd29e@3kitty.org> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:17:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net References: <766106EC-9F2B-4440-B7A6-5AA483EF45F0@comcast.com> <69133641c96091ed047e6bf11a2ff5d7@rjmcmahon.com> Content-Language: en-US Feedback-ID: :jack@3kitty.org:3kitty.org:flockmailId From: Jack Haverty Autocrypt: addr=jack@3kitty.org; keydata= xsDNBGCm2psBDADGOWO8n9wfkDW9ZUEo8o+SZ5MU9us2il+fS4EFM/RaZFIbQ+P72bExzSd3 WnJdPfqO1O7Q+dRnvVO9+G2/9oT/uRZVaE05+SothzKZBv32HcZoUkdNZOTqSkdo3EwNPjid LLxX+dMBxMpR3pBdvGN8Z7lnZe6fV4QO2xtd58y3B33AVZJp+RuNwucby9dY2meyy2BJVKrx mKhYXAucVyg0ALVIchHt9UknVW4aLvQF+oMfzXVvCWeguW+DvbyazVceWGO7FSgUJ8ED3Ii7 xAR5zZJ1LASoMhG1ixg07P9Uy4ohV6c+c0yV9SY4yqhZ3+zN2cm9h/aXpwjSuiVVAJbK7zzb FjI+h89dbnaVQrLx6GikV0OVYqC6TCeMfCFZQAJLs1icxQi3BLL7O1fbTGatEfTgLa5nqfKq K/D/HlOCUeFxqZI8hXvT5dG4e1m3ilpF2/ytcWKSVg3d699UFntPv3sEbAQwwfXsnuD4Hem6 0Ao0/z41n8x1aeZE80FdkpEAEQEAAc0eSmFjayBIYXZlcnR5IDxqYWNrQDNraXR0eS5vcmc+ wsEJBBMBCAAzFiEEZLvMn5vmvTAlFEILdGzDIkA7jlAFAmCm2pwCGwMFCwkIBwIGFQgJCgsC BRYCAwEAAAoJEHRswyJAO45QuX0L/jOluv8fr/BmuEEQsWWGW6oARIbjDQrI93kXIJXuPnfp tGjkx/f1TMIzI2B9s/tejiYE7IZOhWbX1YvKF0UbkSJi50UyV9XtYRnLdD5TcksKB4luDF8S R+nj5WBm17Bp8qwriCMgA1jGL2wQ7J1KUw4Q/gsMcjhn/39PevswkriU2qqVplfCs9yTTMU5 SvtE2U9F3Y1ZINHn3kUysvxhRFd+Oh3PocWHmVE+hkII+qsra6z4eztDgoB+vqxmOJEdtvex GhT8OKu74DacguZVfu/AV+cwpX701sdjJrMyKjcv8uhFLM/E5gf6kSUAFxBVwe6pNDmAgmbS c0fAFrZjgXxNxxndpu/8OAUDVzKg+l5WJ0nWss9Q14BwA+FcoclO3lwzFu7jOiLvkm7jQkFB o+p8Owe4iAED1KK/aocIa/RiD4sZ3KXUJ92kkemZ1Qe2XpFVdzxaQDG0huNkc5Mie9rdt62O Ae+5cYdPeWmBVn+pFNs5H09kQQbVR5pUxe2Aps7AzQRgptqcAQwAzzougHNMFr/O/L8HnNJW 1YyOuX0PEVNUXQPwkxKuD8bAXsPr4Hv1a+840ByesiJSadhQgVSMruRqoQC5tTkbEWkqlfDW waNAdqCJOXl2T6gtK7RpcHNx7+/du/gCAhHOXqH1Qfs0Zi3YEbR/kQFRP3wD4GiCvHSny8zJ X9plIHqQGoE5DePNAtE2KimbFMsjguqJgq5x0tMf3qEaMNd0IGTStGpcC49iss71slotH091 Y1Yo9CpzL6rj8IP0BfssEujAvf3Gbf1oi92JRE3s2humFDfPvSlHmRIfWPQ4qFOw1zmlzsV1 eg83gErKbjaDdkbwQA85RTmMVKNVvonM80WB6jAg8tlJ5VlYlpbzASpJRNj+FL1LLBQxCbPU eFwrzqYgNvtdKR7j5nTgdndCxq+2aws/aAjdL10S8yeH7ZOpNPzjDJfMSt/L1O25zPUhXdQC 9AZNYsfyV7rf+POEgVpIEth1fT9WbmS0rZxRd/+y628n31GicbA+teN890vdABEBAAHCwPYE GAEIACAWIQRku8yfm+a9MCUUQgt0bMMiQDuOUAUCYKbanQIbDAAKCRB0bMMiQDuOUF1LC/4q 4pLtmDt6TIET2H7zGj5ie3ng7kC7YqtFPYwgLQzs9WeqQ/5WowEmHOPonBcqhGbtDj22GebQ 7w0RoUHb+aXsbC85I/C+nWgT1ZcfMBTHGlBcIQvOCNG18g87Ha9jgD0HnW4bRUkZmGMpP0Yd TLM+PBNu41AK6z82VPQrfTuPKqwAAS2FK/RpF2xB7rjpETzIPl9Dj9EAkRbviURIg0BQkmej l02FLzGmlTfBIDHBdEgzvD71Z5H9BP8DAbxBzonSTzx/KZyv7njSUzdVLW+5O/WzPgb4Qt4I jQd66LS9HWS1G7AcLjiSQAIf8v7JkX3NwtN+NGX5cmt2p0e9FOOKWXVgCIgPN3/712EEGAgq UUxuPEBD5DrRCgjZL40eHxQza2BAhoVoWopUCGZdCCZJP3iF7818wIph0U393DELG9NAGLJa qkoA8KBimXp9Rd2QvpA864JRy/REoEOEF9lm3clriLyEqaL/VMIQRhl/VSkUuez4Wr68eHus TFdwePg= In-Reply-To: <69133641c96091ed047e6bf11a2ff5d7@rjmcmahon.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------mtdZzTTnb7v9ekv0hhXir1YE" X-F-Verdict: SPFVALID X-Titan-Src-Out: 1709075835116230002.4312.6196585696732652283@prod-use1-smtp-out1002. X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=d4zzywjE c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=65de6d7b a=cdvcmBiFVbz+0Uto4GLkPg==:117 a=cdvcmBiFVbz+0Uto4GLkPg==:17 a=CEWIc4RMnpUA:10 a=13zjGPudsaEWiJwPRgMA:9 a=BMZw1cNiAAAA:8 a=ZkvPBPLQAAAA:8 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=8HzU5qy7FWPA_Bi8jpIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=CHoBO7vaALwA:10 a=usUTcz4nAAAA:8 a=47Ivc3Ei2weIhtQFS-UA:9 a=n5xv96_Nmd5ZHxBn:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=lqcHg5cX4UMA:10 a=mVcgwxjBTkr3zjpDlhIA:9 a=FfaGCDsud1wA:10 a=UyrvuTBs7yVhZTc3HIIA:9 a=LFNRk_RPXKENqfFiVP4z:22 a=SFr2u9Cu4sbnRqnMvguH:22 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 a=MqnEBYhnR1GEXjMu-uAJ:22 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Re: [NNagain] The FCC 2024 Section 706 Report, GN Docket No. 22-270 is out! X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 23:17:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------------mtdZzTTnb7v9ekv0hhXir1YE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5RB3dnx9063SgiTZKxDjlK74"; protected-headers="v1" From: Jack Haverty To: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net Message-ID: <71063fa7-ba1b-4da8-8252-73b1ff2dd29e@3kitty.org> Subject: Re: [NNagain] The FCC 2024 Section 706 Report, GN Docket No. 22-270 is out! References: <766106EC-9F2B-4440-B7A6-5AA483EF45F0@comcast.com> <69133641c96091ed047e6bf11a2ff5d7@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: <69133641c96091ed047e6bf11a2ff5d7@rjmcmahon.com> --------------5RB3dnx9063SgiTZKxDjlK74 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------gWq0C48WHix69huclrq00rx4" --------------gWq0C48WHix69huclrq00rx4 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------eSTLI7dWOPfB7016kRAZA125" --------------eSTLI7dWOPfB7016kRAZA125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGFzIGFueSBJU1Agb3IgcmVndWxhdG9yeSBib2R5IHNldCBhIHN0YW5kYXJkIGZvciBsYXRl bmN5IG5lY2Vzc2FyeSB0byANCnN1cHBvcnQgaW50ZXJhY3RpdmUgdXNlcz8NCg0KSXQgc2Vl bXMgdG8gbWUgdGhhdCBhIDIrIHNlY29uZCBkZWxheSBpcyB3YXkgdG9vIGhpZ2gsIGFuZCBl dmVuIGlmIGl0IA0KaGFwcGVucyBvbmx5IG9jY2FzaW9uYWxseSwgdXNlcnMgbWF5IHNldCB1 cCB0aGVpciBzeXN0ZW1zIHRvIGFzc3VtZSBpdCANCm1heSBoYXBwZW4gYW5kIGNvbXBlbnNh dGUgZm9yIGl0IGJ5IGFkaW5nIHRoZWlyIG93biBidWZmZXJpbmcgYXQgdGhlIA0KZW5kcG9p bnRzIGFuZCB0aGVyZWJ5IHJlZHVjZSBlbWJhcmFzc2luZyBnbGl0Y2hlcy4gTWF5YmUgdGhp cyBleHBsYWlucyANCnRob3NlIGxvbmcgYXdrd2FyZCBwYXVzZXMgeW91IGNvbW1vbmx5IHNl ZSB3aGVuIFRWIGludGVydmlld2VycyBhcmUgDQp0cnlpbmcgdG8gaGF2ZSBhIGNvbnZlcnNh dGlvbiB3aXRoIHNvbWVvbmUgYXQgYSByZW1vdGUgc2l0ZSB2aWEgWm9vbSwgDQpTa3lwZSwg ZXQgYWwuDQoNCkluIHRoZSBlYXJseSBJbnRlcm5ldCBkYXlzIHdlIGFzc3VtZWQgdGhlcmUg d291bGQgYmUgYSBuZWVkIGZvciBtdWx0aXBsZSANCnR5cGVzIG9mIHNlcnZpY2UsIHN1Y2gg YXMgYSAiYnVsayB0cmFuc2ZlciIgYW5kICJpbnRlcmFjdGl2ZSIsIHNpbWlsYXIgDQp0byBh bmFsb2dzIGluIHRoZSBub24tZWxlY3Ryb25pYyB0cmFuc3BvcnQgc3lzdGVtcyAoZS5nLiwg QWlyIEZyZWlnaHQgDQp2ZXJzdXMgQ29udGFpbmVyIFNoaXApLsKgwqAgVGhlICJUeXBlIE9m IFNlcnZpY2UiIGZpZWxkIHdhcyBwdXQgaW4gdGhlIElQIA0KaGVhZGVyIGFzIGEgcGxhY2Vo b2xkZXIgZm9yIHN1Y2ggbWVjaGFuaXNtcyB0byBiZSBhZGRlZCB0byBuZXR3b3JrcyBpbiAN CnRoZSBmdXR1cmUsDQoNCk9mIGNvdXJzZSBpZiBuZXR3b3JrIGNhcGFjaXR5IGlzIHRydWx5 IHVubGltaXRlZCB0aGVyZSB3b3VsZCBiZSBubyBuZWVkIA0Kbm93IHRvIHByb3ZpZGUgZGlm ZmVyZW50IHR5cGVzIG9mIHNlcnZpY2UuwqDCoCBCdXQgdGhlc2UgbGF0ZW5jeSBudW1iZXJz IA0Kc3VnZ2VzdCB0aGF0IHVzZXJzJyB0cmFmZmljIGRlbWFuZHMgYXJlIHN0aWxsIHNvbWV0 aW1lcyBleGNlZWRpbmcgDQpuZXR3b3JrIGNhcGFjaXRpZXMuwqAgU29tZSBvZiB0aGUgbmV0 d29yayB0cmFmZmljIGlzIGFzc29jaWF0ZWQgd2l0aCANCmludGVyYWN0aXZlIHVzZXMsIGFu ZCBvdGhlciB0cmFmZmljIGlzIGRvaW5nIHRhc2tzIHN1Y2ggYXMgYmFja3VwcyB0byANCnNv bWUgY2xvdWQuwqAgVHJlYXRpbmcgdGhlbSB1bmlmb3JtbHkgc2VlbXMgbGlrZSBiYWQgZW5n aW5lZXJpbmcgYXMgd2VsbCANCmFzIGJhZCBwb2xpY3kuDQoNCkknbSBzdGlsbCBub3Qgc3Vy ZSB3aGV0aGVyIG9yIG5vdCAibmV0d29yayBuZXV0cmFsaXR5IiByZWd1bGF0aW9ucyB3b3Vs ZCANCnByZWNsdWRlIG9mZmVyaW5nIGRpZmZlcmVudCB0eXBlcyBvZiBzZXJ2aWNlLCBpZiB0 aGUgdGVjaG5pY2FsIA0KbWVjaGFuaXNtcyBldmVuIGltcGxlbWVudCBzdWNoIGZ1bmN0aW9u YWxpdHkuDQoNCkphY2sNCg0KT24gMi8yNy8yNCAxNDowMCwgcmptY21haG9uIHZpYSBObmFn YWluIHdyb3RlOg0KPj4gSW50ZXJlc3RpbmcgYmxvZyBwb3N0IG9uIHRoZSBsYXRlbmN5IHBh cnQgYXQNCj4+IGh0dHBzOi8vYnJvYWRiYW5kYnJlYWtmYXN0LmNvbS91bnRpdGxlZC0xMi8u DQo+Pg0KPj4gTG9va2luZyBhdCB0aGUgRkNDIGRyYWZ0IHJlcG9ydCwgcGFnZSA3MywgRmln dXJlIDI0IOKAkyBJIGZpbmQgaXQgc29ydA0KPj4gb2YgcmlkaWN1bG91cyB0aGF0IHRoZSB0 YWJsZSBkZXNjcmliZXMgdGhpbmdzIGFzIOKAnExvdyBMYXRlbmN5DQo+PiBTZXJ2aWNl4oCd IGF2YWlsYWJsZSBvciBub3QuIFRoYXQgaXMgYmVjYXVzZSB0aGV5IHNlZW0gdG8gcmVhbGx5 DQo+PiBtaXN1bmRlcnN0YW5kIHRoZSBub3Rpb24gb2Ygd29ya2luZyBsYXRlbmN5LiBUaGUg dGFibGUgaW5zdGVhZCBzZWVtcw0KPj4gdG8gY2xhc3NpZnkgYW55IG5ldHdvcmsgd2l0aCBp ZGxlIGxhdGVuY3kgPDEwMCBtcyB0byBiZSBsb3cgbGF0ZW5jeQ0KPj4g4oCTIHdoaWNoIGFz IERhdmUgYW5kIG90aGVycyBjbG9zZSB0byBidWZmZXJibG9hdCBrbm93IGlzIHNpbGx5LiBM b3RzDQo+PiBvZiB0aGVzZSBuZXR3b3JrcyB0aGF0IGFyZSBpbiB0aGlzIHJlcG9ydCBjbGFz c2lmaWVkIGFzIGxvdyBsYXRlbmN5DQo+PiB3b3VsZCBpbiBmYWN0IGhhdmUgd29ya2luZyBs YXRlbmNpZXMgb2YgMTAwcyB0byAxLDAwMHMgb2YgbWlsbGlzZWNvbmRzDQo+PiDigJMgZmFy IGZyb20gbG93IGxhdGVuY3kuDQo+Pg0KPj4gSSBsb29rZWQgYXQgRkNDIE1CQSBwbGF0Zm9y bSBkYXRhIGZyb20gdGhlIGxhc3QgNiBtb250aHMgYW5kIGhlcmUgYXJlDQo+PiB0aGUgbGF0 ZW5jeSB1bmRlciBsb2FkIHN0YXRzLCA5OXRoIHBlcmNlbnRpbGUgZm9yIGEgc2VsZWN0aW9u IG9mIHRlbg0KPj4gSVNQczoNCj4+IElTUCBBwqAgMjQ3MCBtcw0KPj4NCj4+IElTUCBCwqAg MjI5NiBtcw0KPj4NCj4+IElTUCBDIDIyODEgbXMNCj4+DQo+PiBJU1AgRCAyMjAzIG1zDQo+ Pg0KPj4gSVNQIEXCoCAyMDcwIG1zDQo+Pg0KPj4gSVNQIEbCoCAxNzE2IG1zDQo+Pg0KPj4g SVNQIEcgMTQ2OCBtcw0KPj4NCj4+IElTUCBIIDk2NSBtcw0KPj4NCj4+IElTUCBJwqDCoCA5 MDkgbXMNCj4+DQo+PiBJU1AgSsKgwqAgODk2IG1zDQo+Pg0KPj4gSmFzb24NCj4NCj4gSXQg ZG9lcyBzZWVtIGxpa2UgdGhlcmUgaXMgYSBsb3Qgb2YgY29uZnVzaW9uIGFyb3VuZCBpZGxl IGxhdGVuY3kgdnMgDQo+IHdvcmtpbmcgbGF0ZW5jeS4gQW5vdGhlciBjb21tb24gZXJyb3Ig aXMgdG8gY29uZmxhdGUgcm91bmQgdHJpcCB0aW1lIA0KPiBhcyB0d28gIm9uZSB3YXkgZGVs YXlzLiIgT1dEICYgUlRUIGFyZSBkaWZmZXJlbnQgbWV0cmljcyBhbmQgYm90aCBoYXZlIA0K PiB1dGlsaXR5LiAoYWxsIG9mIHRoaXMsIGluY2x1ZGluZyB3b3JraW5nLWxvYWRzLCBpcyBz dXBwb3J0ZWQgaW4gaXBlcmYgDQo+IDIgLSBodHRwczovL2lwZXJmMi5zb3VyY2Vmb3JnZS5p by9pcGVyZi1tYW5wYWdlLmh0bWwgLSBzbyB0aGVyZSBpcyANCj4gZnJlZSB0b29saW5nIG91 dCB0aGVyZSB0aGF0IGNhbiBoZWxwLikNCj4NCj4gQm9iDQo+IF9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fDQo+IE5uYWdhaW4gbWFpbGluZyBsaXN0 DQo+IE5uYWdhaW5AbGlzdHMuYnVmZmVyYmxvYXQubmV0DQo+IGh0dHBzOi8vbGlzdHMuYnVm ZmVyYmxvYXQubmV0L2xpc3RpbmZvL25uYWdhaW4NCg0K --------------eSTLI7dWOPfB7016kRAZA125 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has any ISP or regulatory body set a standard for latency necessary to support interactive uses?=C2=A0=C2=A0

It seems to me that a 2+ second delay is way too high, and even if it happens only occasionally, users may set up their systems to assume it may happen and compensate for it by ading their own buffering at the endpoints and thereby reduce embarassing glitches.=C2= =A0 Maybe this explains those long awkward pauses you commonly see when TV interviewers are trying to have a conversation with someone at a remote site via Zoom, Skype, et al.

In the early Internet days we assumed there would be a need for multiple types of service, such as a "bulk transfer" and "interactive", similar to analogs in the non-electronic transport systems (e.g., Air Freight versus Container Ship).=C2=A0=C2=A0 The "T= ype Of Service" field was put in the IP header as a placeholder for such mechanisms to be added to networks in the future,

Of course if network capacity is truly unlimited there would be no need now to provide different types of service.=C2=A0=C2=A0 But these= latency numbers suggest that users' traffic demands are still sometimes exceeding network capacities.=C2=A0 Some of the network traffic is associated with interactive uses, and other traffic is doing tasks such as backups to some cloud.=C2=A0 Treating them uniformly seems li= ke bad engineering as well as bad policy.

I'm still not sure whether or not "network neutrality" regulations would preclude offering different types of service, if the technical mechanisms even implement such functionality.

Jack

On 2/27/24 14:00, rjmcmahon via Nnagai= n wrote:
Interesting blog post on the latency part= at
https://broadbandbreakfast.com/untitled-12/.

Looking at the FCC draft report, page 73, Figure 24 =E2=80=93 I f= ind it sort
of ridiculous that the table describes things as =E2=80=9CLow Lat= ency
Service=E2=80=9D available or not. That is because they seem to r= eally
misunderstand the notion of working latency. The table instead seems
to classify any network with idle latency <100 ms to be low latency
=E2=80=93 which as Dave and others close to bufferbloat know is s= illy. Lots
of these networks that are in this report classified as low latency
would in fact have working latencies of 100s to 1,000s of milliseconds
=E2=80=93 far from low latency.

I looked at FCC MBA platform data from the last 6 months and here are
the latency under load stats, 99th percentile for a selection of ten
ISPs:
ISP A=C2=A0 2470 ms

ISP B=C2=A0 2296 ms

ISP C 2281 ms

ISP D 2203 ms

ISP E=C2=A0 2070 ms

ISP F=C2=A0 1716 ms

ISP G 1468 ms

ISP H 965 ms

ISP I=C2=A0=C2=A0 909 ms

ISP J=C2=A0=C2=A0 896 ms

Jason

It does seem like there is a lot of confusion around idle latency vs working latency. Another common error is to conflate round trip time as two "one way delays." OWD & RTT are different metrics and both have utility. (all of this, including working-loads, is supported in iperf 2 - https://iperf2.sourceforge.io/iperf-manpage.htm= l - so there is free tooling out there that can help.)

Bob
_______________________________________________
Nnagain mailing list
Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain

--------------eSTLI7dWOPfB7016kRAZA125-- --------------gWq0C48WHix69huclrq00rx4 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="OpenPGP_0x746CC322403B8E50.asc" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_0x746CC322403B8E50.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP public key Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- xsDNBGCm2psBDADGOWO8n9wfkDW9ZUEo8o+SZ5MU9us2il+fS4EFM/RaZFIbQ+P7 2bExzSd3WnJdPfqO1O7Q+dRnvVO9+G2/9oT/uRZVaE05+SothzKZBv32HcZoUkdN ZOTqSkdo3EwNPjidLLxX+dMBxMpR3pBdvGN8Z7lnZe6fV4QO2xtd58y3B33AVZJp +RuNwucby9dY2meyy2BJVKrxmKhYXAucVyg0ALVIchHt9UknVW4aLvQF+oMfzXVv CWeguW+DvbyazVceWGO7FSgUJ8ED3Ii7xAR5zZJ1LASoMhG1ixg07P9Uy4ohV6c+ c0yV9SY4yqhZ3+zN2cm9h/aXpwjSuiVVAJbK7zzbFjI+h89dbnaVQrLx6GikV0OV YqC6TCeMfCFZQAJLs1icxQi3BLL7O1fbTGatEfTgLa5nqfKqK/D/HlOCUeFxqZI8 hXvT5dG4e1m3ilpF2/ytcWKSVg3d699UFntPv3sEbAQwwfXsnuD4Hem60Ao0/z41 n8x1aeZE80FdkpEAEQEAAc0eSmFjayBIYXZlcnR5IDxqYWNrQDNraXR0eS5vcmc+ wsEJBBMBCAAzFiEEZLvMn5vmvTAlFEILdGzDIkA7jlAFAmCm2pwCGwMFCwkIBwIG FQgJCgsCBRYCAwEAAAoJEHRswyJAO45QuX0L/jOluv8fr/BmuEEQsWWGW6oARIbj DQrI93kXIJXuPnfptGjkx/f1TMIzI2B9s/tejiYE7IZOhWbX1YvKF0UbkSJi50Uy V9XtYRnLdD5TcksKB4luDF8SR+nj5WBm17Bp8qwriCMgA1jGL2wQ7J1KUw4Q/gsM cjhn/39PevswkriU2qqVplfCs9yTTMU5SvtE2U9F3Y1ZINHn3kUysvxhRFd+Oh3P ocWHmVE+hkII+qsra6z4eztDgoB+vqxmOJEdtvexGhT8OKu74DacguZVfu/AV+cw pX701sdjJrMyKjcv8uhFLM/E5gf6kSUAFxBVwe6pNDmAgmbSc0fAFrZjgXxNxxnd pu/8OAUDVzKg+l5WJ0nWss9Q14BwA+FcoclO3lwzFu7jOiLvkm7jQkFBo+p8Owe4 iAED1KK/aocIa/RiD4sZ3KXUJ92kkemZ1Qe2XpFVdzxaQDG0huNkc5Mie9rdt62O Ae+5cYdPeWmBVn+pFNs5H09kQQbVR5pUxe2Aps7AzQRgptqcAQwAzzougHNMFr/O /L8HnNJW1YyOuX0PEVNUXQPwkxKuD8bAXsPr4Hv1a+840ByesiJSadhQgVSMruRq oQC5tTkbEWkqlfDWwaNAdqCJOXl2T6gtK7RpcHNx7+/du/gCAhHOXqH1Qfs0Zi3Y EbR/kQFRP3wD4GiCvHSny8zJX9plIHqQGoE5DePNAtE2KimbFMsjguqJgq5x0tMf 3qEaMNd0IGTStGpcC49iss71slotH091Y1Yo9CpzL6rj8IP0BfssEujAvf3Gbf1o i92JRE3s2humFDfPvSlHmRIfWPQ4qFOw1zmlzsV1eg83gErKbjaDdkbwQA85RTmM VKNVvonM80WB6jAg8tlJ5VlYlpbzASpJRNj+FL1LLBQxCbPUeFwrzqYgNvtdKR7j 5nTgdndCxq+2aws/aAjdL10S8yeH7ZOpNPzjDJfMSt/L1O25zPUhXdQC9AZNYsfy V7rf+POEgVpIEth1fT9WbmS0rZxRd/+y628n31GicbA+teN890vdABEBAAHCwPYE GAEIACAWIQRku8yfm+a9MCUUQgt0bMMiQDuOUAUCYKbanQIbDAAKCRB0bMMiQDuO UF1LC/4q4pLtmDt6TIET2H7zGj5ie3ng7kC7YqtFPYwgLQzs9WeqQ/5WowEmHOPo nBcqhGbtDj22GebQ7w0RoUHb+aXsbC85I/C+nWgT1ZcfMBTHGlBcIQvOCNG18g87 Ha9jgD0HnW4bRUkZmGMpP0YdTLM+PBNu41AK6z82VPQrfTuPKqwAAS2FK/RpF2xB 7rjpETzIPl9Dj9EAkRbviURIg0BQkmejl02FLzGmlTfBIDHBdEgzvD71Z5H9BP8D AbxBzonSTzx/KZyv7njSUzdVLW+5O/WzPgb4Qt4IjQd66LS9HWS1G7AcLjiSQAIf 8v7JkX3NwtN+NGX5cmt2p0e9FOOKWXVgCIgPN3/712EEGAgqUUxuPEBD5DrRCgjZ L40eHxQza2BAhoVoWopUCGZdCCZJP3iF7818wIph0U393DELG9NAGLJaqkoA8KBi mXp9Rd2QvpA864JRy/REoEOEF9lm3clriLyEqaL/VMIQRhl/VSkUuez4Wr68eHus TFdwePg=3D =3D1/9g -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --------------gWq0C48WHix69huclrq00rx4-- --------------5RB3dnx9063SgiTZKxDjlK74-- --------------mtdZzTTnb7v9ekv0hhXir1YE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsD5BAABCAAjFiEEZLvMn5vmvTAlFEILdGzDIkA7jlAFAmXebXkFAwAAAAAACgkQdGzDIkA7jlDn nQv+KlV5P/+ftJrZ4wNd+ZTYlrf6fN/DZqxney4Rc7sdvM8lChYDJQ1fzRZQP2fgN+edV2+72P6O SjleZQaSQ5n0neCahOzY7o5YZBTDbsdBrwYGcLk7ySOk/VRZB12iZGNMupVswFEzlrntwVWRLymT k35CfGy2G5Mg0txd97iuB28ORuD5dJ4ULRi/LfDbam9O0bqNDMT5eR/148QtHNZbOOH4z1gLjc8W 3GabdPwx8sPOf2IrGYFTdaU+e71xH7Aro8esPnjQguTgN9dsROZNgFhN5nCa9h6IiitrTiylZoSx X7lBPrH1WKQJEKAEVeLb8nGjTtj6pLBvA5RFRvHMxUvVAxoO+O+xz+Y0B2MATYkyVoRtDM0+Qnbh +3hXYq73NVP6UBGu/83b+VB7PgDmtY5Ek9EI8XvYCkmfu8fTWB3fCNrjNmiQo8R1Cq7V2LQtP8hU Nr7FKIQyeH4KOCv7HJHzeAamovoQvslbTdtjwkqBlJvuifUSqCxqVaSTW47i =xEZE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------mtdZzTTnb7v9ekv0hhXir1YE--