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[157.131.220.97]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x6-20020a170902ec8600b001c44c8d857esm6186548plg.120.2023.10.14.21.43.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 14 Oct 2023 21:43:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Eugene Y Chang Message-Id: <725892E7-A50E-4B13-BDF6-B5F6721E82F9@ieee.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F3E2EA8F-3673-434B-9647-70C063051F95"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2023 21:43:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: Eugene Chang , =?utf-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?utf-8?Q?pects_heard_this_time!?= , Qian Li To: Dave Taht References: <851ba854e9bec33e55bbc7f3afd9e798@rjmcmahon.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2023 04:43:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F3E2EA8F-3673-434B-9647-70C063051F95 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1BDB53CC-67C6-4D2C-80E9-94E8490FFB36" --Apple-Mail=_1BDB53CC-67C6-4D2C-80E9-94E8490FFB36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > That is lovely. I too would like to find a place to logout for a long = while. You missed my point. I didn=E2=80=99t mean to suggest a logout for = anyone. Being connected to reality and life is hard work. Many people distrust science and engineering because they don=E2=80=99t = appreciate how every sophisticated technology and abstract facts are = connected to observations from the human senses back when we studied = natural philosophy. This is the chain of observations spanning thousands = of years and generations. Eventually, that body of knowledge was called = science. Every technical fact we know can be traced back through this = chain of human observations. Along the way, we build tools to extend our = senses. Now, we can =E2=80=9Csee=E2=80=9D and measure electron positions = and gravity waves. It is not magic and belief. It is the chain of hard = work by many people. Similarly, connecting our individual emotions and values to society, to = the world, and to the universe is hard work. It takes us beyond our = animal instincts. In Zen, this effort is the work to achieve = enlightenment. Gene >=20 > 172 thoughts left to come in! >=20 > /me makes mental push for everyone to check their spam folders > (was this list coming in as spam?) >=20 > On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:54=E2=80=AFPM Eugene Y Chang = wrote: >>=20 >> Build an institute to teach an appreciation of natural philosophy and = Zen. >> (I need to think more about generalizing alternative development to = spiritual connections.) >> Many people have lost (or lack) a connection to both approaches to = reality. >>=20 >>=20 >> Gene >> ---------------------------------------------- >> Eugene Chang >> IEEE Senior Life Member >> eugene.chang@ieee.org >> m 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:00 AM, Dave Taht via Nnagain = wrote: >>=20 >> Thank you! 173 people left to weigh in! >>=20 >> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:49=E2=80=AFAM Qian Li = wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> I would like to fund in three areas. >>=20 >> Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing = world. >> Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to = handle network packets at line speeds. In the meantime, router functions = can be updated as easily and economically as software updates. This will = solve the problem of Internet ossification. The deployment of new = Internet technologies such as IPv6 will thus become easy. >> Home robots design. This may include cleaning, cooking, and = babysitting robots. They can free housewives from day to day housework. = As a result, more women will be able to contribute to the advance of = computer networks >>=20 >> Qian >>=20 >> ________________________________ >> From: Nnagain on behalf of = Dave Taht via Nnagain >> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 11:15 AM >> To: rjmcmahon >> Cc: Dave Taht ; Network Neutrality is back! = Let=C2=B4s make the technical aspects heard this time! = >> Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars >>=20 >> thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people >> here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly >> into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people = to >> lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record >> on the stereo too), and propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on >> something they think would be good for the computing and internet >> world. >>=20 >> It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world nowadays. I was delighted >> to see the whole earth catalog back online: >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D37872774 >>=20 >> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23=E2=80=AFPM rjmcmahon = wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators >> o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how = to >> construct & manage fiber & RF networks >> o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out = of >> heat pumps >> o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence >> o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't = have >> to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news >>=20 >> I wouldn't: >> o) Buy an island in Hawaii >> o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft >> o) Buy a boat >> o) Have 11 kids with multiple women >> o) Fund anti aging research >> o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities = to >> do so >>=20 >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dgoh2x_G0ct4 >>=20 >> Bob >>=20 >> in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here... >>=20 >> What would *you* do with a billion dollars? >>=20 >> ... >>=20 >> I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much: >>=20 >> http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Oct 30: = https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Oct 30: = https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Oct 30: = https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --Apple-Mail=_1BDB53CC-67C6-4D2C-80E9-94E8490FFB36 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8


On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>= wrote:

That is lovely. I too would like to find a place to logout = for a long while.

You missed my point. I didn=E2=80=99t mean to = suggest a logout for anyone.

Being = connected to reality and life is hard work.
Many people = distrust science and engineering because they don=E2=80=99t appreciate = how every sophisticated technology and abstract facts are connected to = observations from the human senses back when we studied natural = philosophy. This is the chain of observations spanning thousands of = years and generations. Eventually, that body of knowledge was called = science. Every technical fact we know can be traced back through this = chain of human observations. Along the way, we build tools to extend our = senses. Now, we can =E2=80=9Csee=E2=80=9D and measure electron positions = and gravity waves. It is not magic and belief. It is the chain of hard = work by many people.

Similarly, = connecting our individual emotions and values to society, to the world, = and to the universe is hard work. It takes us beyond our animal = instincts. In Zen, this effort is the work to achieve = enlightenment.

Gene





172 thoughts left to come in!

/me makes mental push for everyone to check their spam = folders
(was this list coming in as spam?)
On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:54=E2=80=AFPM Eugene Y Chang = <eugene.chang@ieee.org> wrote:

Build an institute to teach an = appreciation of natural philosophy and Zen.
(I need to = think more about generalizing alternative development to spiritual = connections.)
Many people have lost (or lack) a connection = to both approaches to reality.


Gene
----------------------------------------------
Eugene Chang
IEEE Senior Life Member
eugene.chang@ieee.org
m 781-799-0233 (in = Honolulu)




On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:00 AM, Dave Taht via Nnagain = <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

Thank you! 173 people left to weigh in!

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:49=E2=80=AFAM Qian Li = <li_qian_pro@hotmail.com> wrote:


I would like to fund in three areas.

Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the = computing world.
Building programmable network routers = that are sufficiently quick to handle network packets at line speeds. In = the meantime, router functions can be updated as easily and economically = as software updates. This will solve the problem of Internet = ossification. The deployment of new Internet technologies such as IPv6 = will thus become easy.
Home robots design. This may = include cleaning, cooking, and babysitting robots. They can free = housewives from day to day housework. As a result, more women will be = able to contribute to the advance of computer networks

Qian

________________________________
From: Nnagain = <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Dave Taht via = Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Sent: = Saturday, October 14, 2023 11:15 AM
To: rjmcmahon = <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
Cc: Dave Taht = <dave.taht@gmail.com>; Network Neutrality is back! Let=C2=B4s make = the technical aspects heard this time! = <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: = [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

thx = for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people
here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going = directly
into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post = to encourage people to
lean back, relax (smoke one if you = got 'em! Put on some great record
on the stereo too), and = propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on
something they = think would be good for the computing and internet
world.
It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world = nowadays. I was delighted
to see the whole earth catalog = back online:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D37872774

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23=E2=80=AFPM = rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:


o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, = e.g. how to
construct & manage fiber & RF = networks
o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. = advertise the heck out of
heat pumps
o) Fund = shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we = don't have
to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news

I wouldn't:
o) Buy an island in = Hawaii
o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
o) Buy a boat
o) Have 11 kids with multiple = women
o) Fund anti aging research
o) Try to = build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to
do so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dgoh2x_G0ct4
Bob

in trying to initiate some = out of the box thinking here...

What would = *you* do with a billion dollars?

...

I wrote this in 2015. I would not change = much:

http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/




--
Oct 30: = https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos
_______________________________________________
Nnagain mailing list
Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain




--
Oct 30: = https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos
_______________________________________________
Nnagain mailing list
Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain




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Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof= .html
Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos

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