From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bosmailout09.eigbox.net (bosmailout09.eigbox.net [66.96.189.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78B5F3B29D; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from bosmailscan04.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.4]) by bosmailout09.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1rNdc9-00045k-Uf; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:47:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alum.mit.edu; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Y+Fwf0zOCLVTrdvrAJIEDwYIzhtjaetbgXwoXq4KpJE=; b=nIcTlTpEdRtWwcMiHARNXJQuxL gv1JeyasIae77jePe0o6O/MdJFGAJhdnuSuW0U6zAnnSjDGkRikHR9o+dsO5s+0BTDBL9Gkz07W8n jjUUOyibz9ycmcebj5EUo9VPXzBRQFZmmeAdGS4RQbF6fZpWTk7F6GVVMJKbHEinFYDtBDi9D6enc deKE4LE3Ijxf+lWe9H1TRqDxSh5hIoA7IOa6i7PuMPONH6U4/Uu9dNElOneyUbuAFMDt6EFgP6au9 xocULBnan7PX4vil3rhro6m31raataVtL2aXOBn8LA0pRK2ebW3UwSw9SZvdNDllRk8fUeKXCDs+F QIfSmlPw==; Received: from [10.115.3.33] (helo=bosimpout13) by bosmailscan04.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1rNdc9-0007hF-N4; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:47:45 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.8]) by bosimpout13 with id Z6ni2B0040ASroS016nl9p; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:47:45 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Q6tJH7+a c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=BF10AaGwQl41phDg7WSPyA==:117 a=tKttg/DTfI8zZz0UFxdR5w==:17 a=dEuoMetlWLkA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=FMnjzkzcAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=W5yPlZX-HU4hr4Vinq4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=L3aFEYrk1FQs9eQIMJYA:9 a=TRP6ydQ4rX2Ohma8:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 a=vTN03rWj2Xhew_Ru4CZ2:22 Received: from c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([73.158.253.41]:63914 helo=SRA6) by bosauthsmtp08.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1rNdc6-0007PH-2O; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 13:47:42 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Dick Roy" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?'Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?pects_heard_this_time!'?= , "'bloat'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 10:47:36 -0800 Organization: SRA Message-ID: <738FB7B8DC6741DDB10F3CFE95823540@SRA6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0363_01DA43B2.705B1CF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdpD4tz7ra45XVh7RBCMHX3AWpSMogAEXuMA x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE X-EN-UserInfo: f809475445fb8041985048e338e1a001:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: dickroy@intellicommunications.com Sender: "Dick Roy" X-EN-OrigIP: 73.158.253.41 X-EN-OrigHost: c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net Subject: Re: [NNagain] cloud gaming on a comeback? X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 18:47:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0363_01DA43B2.705B1CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of Dave Taht via Nnagain Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:34 AM To: Network Neutrality is back! Let=B4s make the technical aspects heard = this time!; bloat Cc: Dave Taht Subject: [NNagain] cloud gaming on a comeback? =20 This does a pretty good job of summarizing the benefits, and issues, behind making gaming a for-pay at the isp service, among other things. [RR] As I recall, there has been some discussion, largely philosophical, about gaming in this thread which is interesting to keep in mind. =20 =20 https://www.lightreading.com/cloud/telcos-should-offer-dedicated-gaming-i= nte rnet-packages-ericsson =20 In the case of LTE/5G if they could merely deliver a solid home gaming experience, it would be a win... and they still can=B4t. [RR] We can debate whether a =93solid gaming experience=94 is a win (and = for whom:-)), however that=92s for another day. LTE/5G is nothing more than = hype as far as capacity claims are concerned. That=92s precisely why = carriers =93give it away for free=94! When my connection on my phone slows to a = crawl, universally it=92s because my phone has autonomously switched to one of = the =93super fantastic 5G links=94. Little children used to play a game = called =93BS=94; they still may. I think you know what=92s coming next! :-):-):-) =20 RR =20 =20 --=20 40 years of net history, a couple songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E Dave T=E4ht CSO, LibreQos _______________________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain ------=_NextPart_000_0363_01DA43B2.705B1CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

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From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of Dave Taht via Nnagain
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:34 AM
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Subject: [NNagain] cloud gaming on a comeback?

 

This does a pretty good job of summarizing the benefits, and = issues,

behind making gaming a for-pay at the isp service, among other = things.

[RR] As I recall, there has been = some discussion, largely philosophical, about gaming in this thread which is interesting to keep in mind. =A0

 

https://www.lightreading.com/cloud/telcos-should-offer-dedicated-= gaming-internet-packages-ericsson

 

In the case of LTE/5G if they could merely deliver a solid home = gaming

experience, it would be a win... and they still = can=B4t.

[RR] We can debate whether a “solid gaming experience” is a win (and = for whomJ), however that’s for another day. =A0LTE/5G = is nothing more than hype as far as capacity claims are concerned. =A0That’s = precisely why carriers “give it away for free”!=A0 When my connection on = my phone slows to a crawl, universally it’s because my phone has autonomously switched = to one of the “super fantastic 5G links”. Little children used to play = a game called “BS”; they still may. I think you know what’s coming next! = JJJ

 

RR=A0 =A0

 

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40 years of net history, a couple = songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E

Dave T=E4ht CSO, LibreQos

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