From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bosmailout03.eigbox.net (bosmailout03.eigbox.net [66.96.187.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 899183B2A4 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from bosmailscan10.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.10]) by bosmailout03.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1r5dNR-0007FA-0c for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:54:09 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alum.mit.edu; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: Subject:In-Reply-To:References:To:From:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rrgz07Vg1O7xzMbewG8CUZJ6L9X6YXi+/ijcF+q9bZM=; b=tDv3vnct5ldNqbbYxPJaE7Uavj 8qDUNn4d2/Z0r3LE/x3ro0C0n5B65+mL+1OTPArX/ALgoOpuk0ZMefq+9SdLWC7AcPvbLF2FJkqoL Ct3IKh/Q1a0sVhJ5gGwR64lBy+SY3NyxNpzzsbgp1R2zZrZuAnuSYjzxWJllaJ1al20Sqi8pxAtaA xelhwIJpjTib8c/apDTiPkuKzRqmYl/3HKOD13MhJQPbqP0kAih3V4BboP3p64mxpvkpO5BgVGZs0 mkTFBO7Bn5JOvjF6IvN1ON2mhpNavkE89pGKuBZpmN+rQqd73XIykao2PliLmINqbW0EPeHqrmJX5 QqUL1XBw==; Received: from [10.115.3.33] (helo=bosimpout13) by bosmailscan10.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1r5dNQ-0001d4-Os for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:54:08 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp06.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.6]) by bosimpout13 with id DEu52B00407rX7u01Eu809; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:54:08 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Q6tJH7+a c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=fIc3/5IyPUehxkj7BpkQ7Q==:117 a=tKttg/DTfI8zZz0UFxdR5w==:17 a=BNY50KLci1gA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=75WfJWK7AAAA:8 a=4LI-do9G-9oVRPomIQsA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=Ltk8ORrdZ4vT7X77jocA:9 a=m9TSzjiZqr8VjOkL:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 a=IfxiEp7CkTO4ied-Dw7W:22 Received: from c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([73.158.253.41]:59131 helo=SRA6) by bosauthsmtp06.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1r5dNN-0002KM-58 for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Tue, 21 Nov 2023 21:54:05 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Dick Roy" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?'Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?pects_heard_this_time!'?= References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:54:03 -0800 Organization: SRA Message-ID: <827C9C7233CE42A9AB081870571CB49A@SRA6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0230_01DA1CAC.19EAC5A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Adoc7NRE+J56s9LoSlGOtdns8aP7ogAAeItA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE X-EN-UserInfo: f809475445fb8041985048e338e1a001:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: dickroy@intellicommunications.com Sender: "Dick Roy" X-EN-OrigIP: 73.158.253.41 X-EN-OrigHost: c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net Subject: Re: [NNagain] Polarized world threatens open internet: ICANN (AFP) X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:54:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0230_01DA1CAC.19EAC5A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh so true. Once trust has been lost, the demise is certain, and trust = is disappearing rapidly. It=92s actually somewhat amazing that it (the = internet) has lasted this long as a worldwide resource given the state of affairs around the globe. =20 RR=20 =20 _____ =20 From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via Nnagain Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 6:37 PM To: Network Neutrality is back! Let=B4s make the technical aspects heard = this time! Cc: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow Subject: [NNagain] Polarized world threatens open internet: ICANN (AFP) =20 After 25 years of keeping the internet strong and stable, the nonprofit ICANN -- responsible for its technical infrastructure -- is warning that increasingly polarized geopolitics could start cracking the foundations = of the online world. "It's super important to differentiate between what countries decide to = do with controlling content, as opposed to the technical infrastructure," = the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers' interim chief = executive Sally Costerton told AFP in a recent interview. "The risk of fragmentation at the technical level is enormous. The foundation crumbles and game over." ICANN has managed the technical underpinnings of the internet since the group was established in Los Angeles in 1998, and for the past seven = years it has operated under an international model that has all "stakeholders" work collaboratively. "That has worked really well," Costerton said of the approach. ICANN is best known for its work maintaining and expanding the internet address system to new "domains" and languages from its early ".com" days only employing the Roman alphabet. But as online abuses -- from misinformation to hateful content -- have = grown more insidious, interest has heightened in giving governments more = control of the internet, including aspects that have previously been covered by ICANN. Shifting control of the internet's infrastructure to governments and = trade groups, and shutting out the technical community, could crack its foundation, Costerton warned. But proposals have been circulating in the United Nations to give governments and trade groups such clout, and such discussions are = expected to come to a head in 2025, according to ICANN. "You start to damage the foundation by changing the way that internet governance model works," Costerton said. "It looks like a magic trick, but it's the product of hundreds of = thousands of people building trust in the technologies and each other." While ICANN keeps the infrastructure on which the internet operates = sound, it has nothing to do with any digital content it supports, the executive noted. "I can't actually remove something from the internet," the ICANN chief = said. "The other thing is that ICANN is politically neutral, we can't take = sides." Costerton worries that mindset would shift if governments had more = control of the internet infrastructure. She also sees a threat from the unintended consequences of regulation in countries intending to safeguard citizens from what is deemed = undesirable online content there. "The internet was not designed on national borders, it's a global = resource," Costerton said. "The minute you start to decentralize it, you're going to start to = create digital islands." Essentially, the internet could be splintered as countries control what people see online. "We are living in an increasingly nationalistic, polarized world," = Costerton said. "If you want all that wonderful content, and you want the magic trick to carry on, you must maintain the current trust-based model." =20 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/polarized-world-threatens-open-inter= net -icann/ar-AA1kjXU2 =20 --=20 Geoff.Goodfellow@iconia.com living as The Truth is True =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0230_01DA1CAC.19EAC5A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Oh so true.=A0 Once trust has been = lost, the demise is certain, and trust is disappearing rapidly. It’s = actually somewhat amazing that it (the internet) has lasted this long as a worldwide = resource given the state of affairs around the globe.

 

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From: = Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via = Nnagain
Sent: Tuesday, November = 21, 2023 6:37 PM
To: Network Neutrality is = back! Let=B4s make the technical aspects heard this time!
Cc: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow
Subject: [NNagain] = Polarized world threatens open internet: ICANN (AFP)

 

After 25 years of keeping the internet strong and = stable, the nonprofit ICANN -- responsible for its technical infrastructure -- = is warning that increasingly polarized geopolitics could start cracking the foundations of the online world.


"It's super important to differentiate between what countries = decide to do with controlling content, as opposed to the technical = infrastructure," the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers' interim chief = executive Sally Costerton told AFP in a recent interview.

"The risk of fragmentation at the technical level is enormous. The foundation crumbles and game over."

ICANN has managed the technical underpinnings of the internet since the = group was established in Los = Angeles in 1998, and for the past seven years it has operated under an = international model that has all "stakeholders" work collaboratively.
"That has worked really well," Costerton said of the = approach.

ICANN is best known for its work maintaining and expanding the internet = address system to new "domains" and languages from its early = ".com" days only employing the Roman alphabet.

But as online abuses -- from misinformation to hateful content -- have = grown more insidious, interest has heightened in giving governments more = control of the internet, including aspects that have previously been covered by = ICANN.

Shifting control of the internet's infrastructure to governments and = trade groups, and shutting out the technical community, could crack its = foundation, Costerton warned.

But proposals have been circulating in the United Nations to give = governments and trade groups such clout, and such discussions are expected to come = to a head in 2025, according to ICANN.

"You start to damage the foundation by changing the way that = internet governance model works," Costerton said.

"It looks like a magic trick, but it's the product of hundreds of thousands of people building trust in the technologies and each = other."

While ICANN keeps the infrastructure on which the internet operates = sound, it has nothing to do with any digital content it supports, the executive = noted.

"I can't actually remove something from the internet," the = ICANN chief said.

"The other thing is that ICANN is politically neutral, we can't = take sides."

Costerton worries that mindset would shift if governments had more = control of the internet infrastructure.

She also sees a threat from the unintended consequences of regulation in countries intending to safeguard citizens from what is deemed = undesirable online content there.

"The internet was not designed on national borders, it's a global resource," Costerton said.

"The minute you start to decentralize it, you're going to start to = create digital islands."

Essentially, the internet could be splintered as countries control what = people see online.

"We are living in an increasingly nationalistic, polarized = world," Costerton said.

"If you want all that wonderful content, and you want the magic = trick to carry on, you must maintain the current trust-based = model."

 

 

-- =

Geoff.Goodfellow@iconia.com

living as = The Truth is True

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