[NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[Dave Taht]

in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...

What would *you* do with a billion dollars?

...

I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:

http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/

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Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[rjmcmahon]

o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to 
construct & manage fiber & RF networks
o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of 
heat pumps
o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't have 
to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news

I wouldn't:
o) Buy an island in Hawaii
o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
o) Buy a boat
o) Have 11 kids with multiple women
o) Fund anti aging research
o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to 
do so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

Bob
> in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
> 
> What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
> 
> ...
> 
> I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
> 
> http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/

Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[Dave Taht]

thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people
here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly
into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people to
lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record
on the stereo too), and propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on
something they think would be good for the computing and internet
world.

It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world nowadays. I was delighted
to see the whole earth catalog back online:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23 PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
>
> o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
> o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to
> construct & manage fiber & RF networks
> o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of
> heat pumps
> o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
> o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't have
> to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news
>
> I wouldn't:
> o) Buy an island in Hawaii
> o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
> o) Buy a boat
> o) Have 11 kids with multiple women
> o) Fund anti aging research
> o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to
> do so
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
>
> Bob
> > in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
> >
> > What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
> >
> > ...
> >
> > I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
> >
> > http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/



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Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[Qian Li]

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I would like to fund in three areas.


  1.  Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing world.
  2.  Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to handle network packets at line speeds. In the meantime, router functions can be updated as easily and economically as software updates. This will solve the problem of Internet ossification. The deployment of new Internet technologies such as IPv6 will thus become easy.
  3.  Home robots design. This may include cleaning, cooking, and babysitting robots. They can free housewives from day to day housework. As a result, more women will be able to contribute to the advance of computer networks

Qian

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From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 11:15 AM
To: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people
here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly
into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people to
lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record
on the stereo too), and propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on
something they think would be good for the computing and internet
world.

It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world nowadays. I was delighted
to see the whole earth catalog back online:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23 PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
>
> o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
> o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to
> construct & manage fiber & RF networks
> o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of
> heat pumps
> o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
> o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't have
> to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news
>
> I wouldn't:
> o) Buy an island in Hawaii
> o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
> o) Buy a boat
> o) Have 11 kids with multiple women
> o) Fund anti aging research
> o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to
> do so
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
>
> Bob
> > in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
> >
> > What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
> >
> > ...
> >
> > I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
> >
> > http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/



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Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[Dave Taht]

Thank you! 173 people left to weigh in!

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:49 AM Qian Li <li_qian_pro@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to fund in three areas.
>
> Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing world.
> Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to handle network packets at line speeds. In the meantime, router functions can be updated as easily and economically as software updates. This will solve the problem of Internet ossification. The deployment of new Internet technologies such as IPv6 will thus become easy.
> Home robots design. This may include cleaning, cooking, and babysitting robots. They can free housewives from day to day housework. As a result, more women will be able to contribute to the advance of computer networks
>
> Qian
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
> Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars
>
> thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people
> here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly
> into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people to
> lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record
> on the stereo too), and propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on
> something they think would be good for the computing and internet
> world.
>
> It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world nowadays. I was delighted
> to see the whole earth catalog back online:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23 PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
> >
> > o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
> > o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to
> > construct & manage fiber & RF networks
> > o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of
> > heat pumps
> > o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
> > o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't have
> > to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news
> >
> > I wouldn't:
> > o) Buy an island in Hawaii
> > o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
> > o) Buy a boat
> > o) Have 11 kids with multiple women
> > o) Fund anti aging research
> > o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to
> > do so
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
> >
> > Bob
> > > in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
> > >
> > > What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
> > >
> > > http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/
>
>
>
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> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain



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Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[Eugene Y Chang]

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Build an institute to teach an appreciation of natural philosophy and Zen.
(I need to think more about generalizing alternative development to spiritual connections.)
Many people have lost (or lack) a connection to both approaches to reality.


Gene
----------------------------------------------
Eugene Chang
IEEE Senior Life Member
eugene.chang@ieee.org
m 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)




> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:00 AM, Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
> Thank you! 173 people left to weigh in!
> 
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:49 AM Qian Li <li_qian_pro@hotmail.com <mailto:li_qian_pro@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would like to fund in three areas.
>> 
>> Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing world.
>> Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to handle network packets at line speeds. In the meantime, router functions can be updated as easily and economically as software updates. This will solve the problem of Internet ossification. The deployment of new Internet technologies such as IPv6 will thus become easy.
>> Home robots design. This may include cleaning, cooking, and babysitting robots. They can free housewives from day to day housework. As a result, more women will be able to contribute to the advance of computer networks
>> 
>> Qian
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 11:15 AM
>> To: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
>> Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars
>> 
>> thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people
>> here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly
>> into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people to
>> lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record
>> on the stereo too), and propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on
>> something they think would be good for the computing and internet
>> world.
>> 
>> It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world nowadays. I was delighted
>> to see the whole earth catalog back online:
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23 PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
>>> o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to
>>> construct & manage fiber & RF networks
>>> o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of
>>> heat pumps
>>> o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
>>> o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't have
>>> to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't:
>>> o) Buy an island in Hawaii
>>> o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
>>> o) Buy a boat
>>> o) Have 11 kids with multiple women
>>> o) Fund anti aging research
>>> o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to
>>> do so
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>>> in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
>>>> 
>>>> What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
>>>> 
>>>> ...
>>>> 
>>>> I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
>>>> 
>>>> http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nnagain mailing list
>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[Dave Taht]

That is lovely. I too would like to find a place to logout for a long while.

172 thoughts left to come in!

/me makes mental push for everyone to check their spam folders
(was this list coming in as spam?)

On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:54 PM Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> Build an institute to teach an appreciation of natural philosophy and Zen.
> (I need to think more about generalizing alternative development to spiritual connections.)
> Many people have lost (or lack) a connection to both approaches to reality.
>
>
> Gene
> ----------------------------------------------
> Eugene Chang
> IEEE Senior Life Member
> eugene.chang@ieee.org
> m 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:00 AM, Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> Thank you! 173 people left to weigh in!
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:49 AM Qian Li <li_qian_pro@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I would like to fund in three areas.
>
> Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing world.
> Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to handle network packets at line speeds. In the meantime, router functions can be updated as easily and economically as software updates. This will solve the problem of Internet ossification. The deployment of new Internet technologies such as IPv6 will thus become easy.
> Home robots design. This may include cleaning, cooking, and babysitting robots. They can free housewives from day to day housework. As a result, more women will be able to contribute to the advance of computer networks
>
> Qian
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
> Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars
>
> thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people
> here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly
> into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people to
> lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record
> on the stereo too), and propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on
> something they think would be good for the computing and internet
> world.
>
> It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world nowadays. I was delighted
> to see the whole earth catalog back online:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23 PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
>
>
> o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
> o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to
> construct & manage fiber & RF networks
> o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of
> heat pumps
> o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
> o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't have
> to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news
>
> I wouldn't:
> o) Buy an island in Hawaii
> o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
> o) Buy a boat
> o) Have 11 kids with multiple women
> o) Fund anti aging research
> o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to
> do so
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
>
> Bob
>
> in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
>
> What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
>
> ...
>
> I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
>
> http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/
>
>
>
>
> --
> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>
>


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Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[Eugene Y Chang]

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> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That is lovely. I too would like to find a place to logout for a long while.

You missed my point. I didn’t mean to suggest a logout for anyone.

Being connected to reality and life is hard work.
Many people distrust science and engineering because they don’t appreciate how every sophisticated technology and abstract facts are connected to observations from the human senses back when we studied natural philosophy. This is the chain of observations spanning thousands of years and generations. Eventually, that body of knowledge was called science. Every technical fact we know can be traced back through this chain of human observations. Along the way, we build tools to extend our senses. Now, we can “see” and measure electron positions and gravity waves. It is not magic and belief. It is the chain of hard work by many people.

Similarly, connecting our individual emotions and values to society, to the world, and to the universe is hard work. It takes us beyond our animal instincts. In Zen, this effort is the work to achieve enlightenment.

Gene




> 
> 172 thoughts left to come in!
> 
> /me makes mental push for everyone to check their spam folders
> (was this list coming in as spam?)
> 
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:54 PM Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Build an institute to teach an appreciation of natural philosophy and Zen.
>> (I need to think more about generalizing alternative development to spiritual connections.)
>> Many people have lost (or lack) a connection to both approaches to reality.
>> 
>> 
>> Gene
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Eugene Chang
>> IEEE Senior Life Member
>> eugene.chang@ieee.org
>> m 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:00 AM, Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you! 173 people left to weigh in!
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:49 AM Qian Li <li_qian_pro@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I would like to fund in three areas.
>> 
>> Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing world.
>> Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to handle network packets at line speeds. In the meantime, router functions can be updated as easily and economically as software updates. This will solve the problem of Internet ossification. The deployment of new Internet technologies such as IPv6 will thus become easy.
>> Home robots design. This may include cleaning, cooking, and babysitting robots. They can free housewives from day to day housework. As a result, more women will be able to contribute to the advance of computer networks
>> 
>> Qian
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 11:15 AM
>> To: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
>> Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars
>> 
>> thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people
>> here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly
>> into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people to
>> lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record
>> on the stereo too), and propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on
>> something they think would be good for the computing and internet
>> world.
>> 
>> It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world nowadays. I was delighted
>> to see the whole earth catalog back online:
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23 PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
>> o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to
>> construct & manage fiber & RF networks
>> o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of
>> heat pumps
>> o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
>> o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't have
>> to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news
>> 
>> I wouldn't:
>> o) Buy an island in Hawaii
>> o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
>> o) Buy a boat
>> o) Have 11 kids with multiple women
>> o) Fund anti aging research
>> o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to
>> do so
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
>> 
>> What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
>> 
>> http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nnagain mailing list
>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nnagain mailing list
>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> --
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> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos


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[le berger des photons]

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Gene,  you seem to have missed the part where the psychopaths who run the
society have made most scientists believe things which just ain't true.
You talk about seeing gravity waves, and you probably refuse to imagine
that gravity is an unlimited source of energy which we can exploit and send
the psychopaths packing except that they've fooled most of the people who
think of themselves as scientists so that they can control a miserable
world rather than participate in a dream world.  Do you think I'm mistaken?

On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 6:43 AM Eugene Y Chang via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That is lovely. I too would like to find a place to logout for a long
> while.
>
>
> You missed my point. I didn’t mean to suggest a logout for anyone.
>
> Being connected to reality and life is hard work.
> Many people distrust science and engineering because they don’t appreciate
> how every sophisticated technology and abstract facts are connected to
> observations from the human senses back when we studied natural philosophy.
> This is the chain of observations spanning thousands of years and
> generations. Eventually, that body of knowledge was called science. Every
> technical fact we know can be traced back through this chain of human
> observations. Along the way, we build tools to extend our senses. Now, we
> can “see” and measure electron positions and gravity waves. It is not magic
> and belief. It is the chain of hard work by many people.
>
> Similarly, connecting our individual emotions and values to society, to
> the world, and to the universe is hard work. It takes us beyond our animal
> instincts. In Zen, this effort is the work to achieve enlightenment.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
>
> 172 thoughts left to come in!
>
> /me makes mental push for everyone to check their spam folders
> (was this list coming in as spam?)
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:54 PM Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>
>
> Build an institute to teach an appreciation of natural philosophy and Zen.
> (I need to think more about generalizing alternative development to
> spiritual connections.)
> Many people have lost (or lack) a connection to both approaches to reality.
>
>
> Gene
> ----------------------------------------------
> Eugene Chang
> IEEE Senior Life Member
> eugene.chang@ieee.org
> m 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:00 AM, Dave Taht via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> Thank you! 173 people left to weigh in!
>
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:49 AM Qian Li <li_qian_pro@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I would like to fund in three areas.
>
> Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing world.
> Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to
> handle network packets at line speeds. In the meantime, router functions
> can be updated as easily and economically as software updates. This will
> solve the problem of Internet ossification. The deployment of new Internet
> technologies such as IPv6 will thus become easy.
> Home robots design. This may include cleaning, cooking, and babysitting
> robots. They can free housewives from day to day housework. As a result,
> more women will be able to contribute to the advance of computer networks
>
> Qian
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Dave
> Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 11:15 AM
> To: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
> Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s
> make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> >
> Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars
>
> thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people
> here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly
> into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people to
> lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record
> on the stereo too), and propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on
> something they think would be good for the computing and internet
> world.
>
> It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world nowadays. I was delighted
> to see the whole earth catalog back online:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23 PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
> o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to
> construct & manage fiber & RF networks
> o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of
> heat pumps
> o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
> o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't have
> to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news
>
> I wouldn't:
> o) Buy an island in Hawaii
> o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
> o) Buy a boat
> o) Have 11 kids with multiple women
> o) Fund anti aging research
> o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to
> do so
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
>
> Bob
>
> in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
>
> What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
>
> ...
>
> I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
>
> http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/
>
>
>
>
> --
> Oct 30:
> https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>
>
>
>
> --
> Oct 30:
> https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>
>
>
>
> --
> Oct 30:
> https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>

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Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[Eugene Y Chang]

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> On Oct 15, 2023, at 5:20 AM, le berger des photons via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> 
> Gene,  you seem to have missed the part where the psychopaths who run the society have made most scientists believe things which just ain't true.  You talk about seeing gravity waves, and you probably refuse to imagine that gravity is an unlimited source of energy which we can exploit and send the psychopaths packing except that they've fooled most of the people who think of themselves as scientists so that they can control a miserable world rather than participate in a dream world.  Do you think I'm mistaken?

Wow, there are a lot of thoughts packed in here.
I don’t have a theory for understanding psychopaths
I know of a few influential psychopaths, but I don’t know if any of those “who run the society”
I don’t know how to qualitatively believe "most scientists believe things which just ain’t true”
There might be “some” or “a few”. Which scientist are you thinking about?
Yes, we have built a machine to measure and visualize gravity waves.
Why would I refuse to IMAGINE "that gravity is an unlimited source of energy"?
I suspect the energy density in a gravity wave might not be useful to us. But that is my speculation
Could you sketch out how gravity energy can be extracted in useful quantities?
As to “…which we can exploit and send… and send the psychopaths packing… rather than participate in a dream world.”
I have no way to understand that chain of thoughts. It is just too terse. It is a string of sound bites that I can’t interpret. What are you trying to make me think or feel? Is it written by ChatGPT?
If you had a billion dollars… what would you do with it?
How much money would approximate “an unlimited source of energy”?
If you had an unlimited source of money, what would you do with it?
Can you now send psychopaths packing?
Is unlimited still not enough because of all the fooled scientists?

🧐   Gene





> 
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 6:43 AM Eugene Y Chang via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:35 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com <mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> That is lovely. I too would like to find a place to logout for a long while.
> 
> You missed my point. I didn’t mean to suggest a logout for anyone.
> 
> Being connected to reality and life is hard work.
> Many people distrust science and engineering because they don’t appreciate how every sophisticated technology and abstract facts are connected to observations from the human senses back when we studied natural philosophy. This is the chain of observations spanning thousands of years and generations. Eventually, that body of knowledge was called science. Every technical fact we know can be traced back through this chain of human observations. Along the way, we build tools to extend our senses. Now, we can “see” and measure electron positions and gravity waves. It is not magic and belief. It is the chain of hard work by many people.
> 
> Similarly, connecting our individual emotions and values to society, to the world, and to the universe is hard work. It takes us beyond our animal instincts. In Zen, this effort is the work to achieve enlightenment.
> 
> Gene
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 172 thoughts left to come in!
>> 
>> /me makes mental push for everyone to check their spam folders
>> (was this list coming in as spam?)
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:54 PM Eugene Y Chang <eugene.chang@ieee.org <mailto:eugene.chang@ieee.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Build an institute to teach an appreciation of natural philosophy and Zen.
>>> (I need to think more about generalizing alternative development to spiritual connections.)
>>> Many people have lost (or lack) a connection to both approaches to reality.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Gene
>>> ----------------------------------------------
>>> Eugene Chang
>>> IEEE Senior Life Member
>>> eugene.chang@ieee.org <mailto:eugene.chang@ieee.org>
>>> m 781-799-0233 (in Honolulu)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2023, at 4:00 AM, Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you! 173 people left to weigh in!
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2023 at 3:49 AM Qian Li <li_qian_pro@hotmail.com <mailto:li_qian_pro@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I would like to fund in three areas.
>>> 
>>> Quantum computer design. It is the next revolution in the computing world.
>>> Building programmable network routers that are sufficiently quick to handle network packets at line speeds. In the meantime, router functions can be updated as easily and economically as software updates. This will solve the problem of Internet ossification. The deployment of new Internet technologies such as IPv6 will thus become easy.
>>> Home robots design. This may include cleaning, cooking, and babysitting robots. They can free housewives from day to day housework. As a result, more women will be able to contribute to the advance of computer networks
>>> 
>>> Qian
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net>> on behalf of Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2023 11:15 AM
>>> To: rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com <mailto:rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>>
>>> Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com <mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com>>; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars
>>> 
>>> thx for your thoughts! I have a fear that the other 175 other people
>>> here that have not posted yet have all our emails are going directly
>>> into their spam bin, so I wanted with this post to encourage people to
>>> lean back, relax (smoke one if you got 'em! Put on some great record
>>> on the stereo too), and propose spending an arbitrary billion $ on
>>> something they think would be good for the computing and internet
>>> world.
>>> 
>>> It is otherwise such an inoptimistic world nowadays. I was delighted
>>> to see the whole earth catalog back online:
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774 <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37872774>
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:23 PM rjmcmahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com <mailto:rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> o) FiWi chips and FiWi concentrators
>>> o) Train people in fields that give them long term careers, e.g. how to
>>> construct & manage fiber & RF networks
>>> o) Things to help with climate impacts, e.g. advertise the heck out of
>>> heat pumps
>>> o) Fund shelters and support systems for victims of domestic violence
>>> o) Try to find a business model that pays journalists so we don't have
>>> to rely on Jeff Bezos for our news
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't:
>>> o) Buy an island in Hawaii
>>> o) Buy a house that's more than 2000 sq ft
>>> o) Buy a boat
>>> o) Have 11 kids with multiple women
>>> o) Fund anti aging research
>>> o) Try to build rockets to mars, unless the project hired minorities to
>>> do so
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4>
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
>>> 
>>> What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
>>> 
>>> http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/ <http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html <https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html>
>>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nnagain mailing list
>>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain <https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html <https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html>
>>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nnagain mailing list
>>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net <mailto:Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
>>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain <https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain>
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Oct 30: https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html <https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html>
>> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
> 
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Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[Joe Hamelin]

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I'd get a private train car and travel America giving away the money to
people in need.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 9:44 PM Dave Taht via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
>
> What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
>
> ...
>
> I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
>
> http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/
>
> --
> Oct 30:
> https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>


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Re: [NNagain] if you had a billion dollars

[H Kazemi]

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The grand approach is to immediately use the whole billion to advance one
or more important matters.

The opposite approach would be to treat it as an endowment, and only spend
from the annual gains. A 5% return means $50 million per year.

There are countless middle positions as well, if one needs more bootstrap
capital for something important and is simultaneously willing to reduce the
potential annual endowment returns. The midpoint scenario is to use $500
million for critical bootstrapping efforts, and leave the remaining $500
million to produce $25 million annual returns.

Some things to consider:

1.) Which efforts will others want to be partners in? Partnerships can
extend how far seed capital will go. But diverging interests might
complicate things later, taking things in unintended directions.

2.) Which efforts are important to do but aren't attracting enough interest
and funding today, but have the potential of being self-sustaining if they
reach a critical mass? This might include funding certain technology or
approaches that have mostly been pushed to the wayside.

Examples: Repairable/reusable/upgradable/modular hardware comes to mind.
Framework laptops are step in this direction. Closed non-upgradeable
hardware, non-repurposable hardware goes in the opposite direction.
Contrast the medium to long term reuse prospects for a Framework laptop vs
a MacBook Air. Or a WiFi router (maybe RPi based) that is OpenWRT
compatible vs fully proprietary. How about other electronics? How about
fully open source hardware and open source software solutions available for
each kind of electronics? Offering polished solutions matters; breaking or
losing existing functionality needs to be strongly avoided. To replace the
status quo, the new alternative must do an overall better job.

Or to step away from electronics...how about expanding the availability and
use of modular building systems? One system, called Gridbeam, uses
perforated square wooden or metal sticks, hardware, accessories, parts, and
tooling. It uses reusable parts and can be assembled with basic tools. Some
wooden Ikea furniture already is physically quite close to what can be
created using the Gridbeam system.
https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Gridbeam

3.) Are there efforts that are worth doing on an entirely altruistic basis,
because they're important to do for societal advancement and continuity
reasons, regardless of the financials?

Examples: Freeing up certain patents. Open sourcing certain technology.
Maybe reforming the patent, copyright, and right to repair laws. Addressing
policy problems (including NN) and other roadblocks that hurt creativity,
innovation, and prevent us from doing what is actually technically possible
today but is being blocked by other factors. Libraries and knowledge
sharing comes to mind. Making science, including communicating how we got
to where we are now, accessible to all also matters. Sufficiently advanced
technology doesn't run on magic.



On Thu, Oct 12, 2023, 23:44 Dave Taht via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> in trying to initiate some out of the box thinking here...
>
> What would *you* do with a billion dollars?
>
> ...
>
> I wrote this in 2015. I would not change much:
>
> http://the-edge.taht.net/post/billion/
>
> --
> Oct 30:
> https://netdevconf.info/0x17/news/the-maestro-and-the-music-bof.html
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
> _______________________________________________
> Nnagain mailing list
> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain
>

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