From: David Lang <david@lang.hm>
To: dan via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [NNagain] On "Throttling" behaviors
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:05:00 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <865450or-7105-0q7o-nos7-p8645061n203@ynat.uz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA_JP8VryiTvavzQyS2HrxKAdfHM-7Or5j0NvCoJ0On+v1_HcQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2023, dan via Nnagain wrote:
>>> The U.S. railroads were natural monopolies. They were given massive land
>> grants to build out. They ran as private companies for about one century.
>> They lost their monopoly position after third generations who inherited
>> them used these monopolies to price guoge government during WWI and WWII.
>> That's part of the reason most DoT type govt agencies today are "roads &
>> airports" vs "roads, rail & airports." Rail has been re privatized and
>> under invested - perfect for Warren Buffett but no so good for everyone
>> else nor for the climate.
>>
> I don't know that this is an appropriate conclusion. I don't think that
> any railroads were monopolies until the government gave out land grants
> and monies to build those monopolies and now they are absolutely government
> backed monopolies. Yes, railroads gouged for use of their lines, but that
> was more price collusion than monopoly.
They were monopolies within their area of operation pretty quickly. the time of
railroads competing to the same places was extremely short
David Lang
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2023-10-01 17:15 [NNagain] Some backstory on the nn-again mailing list Dave Taht
2023-10-01 18:56 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-10-01 19:51 ` [NNagain] On "Throttling" behaviors Dave Taht
2023-10-01 20:50 ` Dave Cohen
2023-10-01 22:01 ` Patrick Maupin
2023-10-02 1:34 ` dan
2023-10-02 7:28 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 16:29 ` dan
2023-10-04 7:30 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 15:30 ` Andy Ringsmuth
2023-10-02 18:28 ` Nathan Loofbourrow
2023-10-02 20:34 ` Colin_Higbie
2023-10-02 21:04 ` Dave Cohen
2023-10-02 21:07 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-02 21:43 ` Colin_Higbie
2023-10-02 21:55 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-03 19:29 ` Colin_Higbie
2023-10-03 19:45 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-04 0:57 ` David Lang
2023-10-03 7:50 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-03 8:10 ` Karl Auerbach
2023-10-03 14:41 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-03 15:34 ` dan
2023-10-03 16:54 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-03 17:55 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-03 18:09 ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-10-03 18:14 ` dan
2023-10-03 19:44 ` Dick Roy
2023-10-03 18:10 ` dan
2023-10-03 19:23 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-04 1:05 ` David Lang [this message]
2023-10-04 0:39 ` David Lang
2023-10-03 20:26 ` Colin_Higbie
2023-10-03 21:40 ` dan
2023-10-04 15:56 ` Colin_Higbie
2023-10-04 17:45 ` David Lang
2023-10-05 20:24 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-10-05 22:17 ` Dick Roy
2023-10-05 22:47 ` Jeremy Austin
2023-10-05 22:53 ` Dave Cohen
2023-10-06 15:56 ` Dick Roy
2023-10-06 15:58 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-04 17:59 ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-04 19:26 ` Dick Roy
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2023-10-05 8:44 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-05 19:07 ` David Lang
2023-10-03 23:17 ` Mark Steckel
2023-10-04 7:51 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 6:48 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 13:43 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-10-02 14:51 ` Mark Steckel
2023-10-02 18:09 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-10-02 18:15 ` Patrick Maupin
2023-10-02 19:18 ` Dick Roy
2023-10-02 6:34 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 13:27 ` Livingood, Jason
2023-10-02 6:06 ` [NNagain] Some backstory on the nn-again mailing list Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 12:36 ` Bless, Roland (TM)
2023-10-03 7:15 ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-02 20:18 [NNagain] On "Throttling" behaviors Livingood, Jason
2023-10-02 20:28 ` Dick Roy
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