From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail.lang.hm (rrcs-45-59-245-186.west.biz.rr.com [45.59.245.186]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C32953B2A4 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2023 21:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dlang-mobile (unknown [10.2.2.69]) by mail.lang.hm (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26361B05D0; Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: David Lang To: dan via Nnagain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <865450or-7105-0q7o-nos7-p8645061n203@ynat.uz> References: <6D7F7242-248B-4FD4-BEDA-EE931B7DFE3C@andyring.com> <0a158308-e0c1-4722-8013-745e3ded232d@app.fastmail.com> <1B7534EB-2FCE-4500-B53D-F1DFEED1DBC7@gmx.de> <8dbe2688ccf5b9e976a03e8e4f36fb4d@rjmcmahon.com> <9E96A830-CE03-44FC-925B-77896FD6976E@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="===============2585472695761260640==" Subject: Re: [NNagain] On "Throttling" behaviors X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 01:05:01 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --===============2585472695761260640== Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Oct 2023, dan via Nnagain wrote: >>> The U.S. railroads were natural monopolies. They were given massive land >> grants to build out. They ran as private companies for about one century. >> They lost their monopoly position after third generations who inherited >> them used these monopolies to price guoge government during WWI and WWII. >> That's part of the reason most DoT type govt agencies today are "roads & >> airports" vs "roads, rail & airports." Rail has been re privatized and >> under invested - perfect for Warren Buffett but no so good for everyone >> else nor for the climate. >> > I don't know that this is an appropriate conclusion. I don't think that > any railroads were monopolies until the government gave out land grants > and monies to build those monopolies and now they are absolutely government > backed monopolies. Yes, railroads gouged for use of their lines, but that > was more price collusion than monopoly. They were monopolies within their area of operation pretty quickly. the time of railroads competing to the same places was extremely short David Lang --===============2585472695761260640== Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: INLINE X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KTm5hZ2FpbiBt YWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKTm5hZ2FpbkBsaXN0cy5idWZmZXJibG9hdC5uZXQKaHR0cHM6Ly9saXN0cy5i dWZmZXJibG9hdC5uZXQvbGlzdGluZm8vbm5hZ2Fpbgo= --===============2585472695761260640==--