From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bosmailout05.eigbox.net (bosmailout05.eigbox.net [66.96.189.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C4823CB37 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from bosmailscan07.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.7]) by bosmailout05.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1rXk2r-00045a-2n for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Wed, 07 Feb 2024 10:41:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alum.mit.edu; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=JsbfVGbw8QULQIYO/5M2r30g6W18ZTX1eNy2dAi9XPU=; b=ZIU04x5Jw7gyO7FUKKXXDRLFBK /Q4xJs0hrykySW3Q0HVjkpSnaS60nP8E4tz9Tk0NVBlVhwLlt4zuRtyEKGMtEtBAihZTIdnOAoipX DnC0REfNEP1NrYe4vOPTZwMyPv5KBu2QG+zy0Ww+pHwaewHcCv1NO0wBP8LL5NcRnMedeHTISlFDp YaFxjZd+XEY/g0ZicRlmNnZayvUdIRnorZNkh09xr23OoHrxRQRJK+KOIvAykwctQlrHH8qphcpIi jMbVVaS/pepylcVEgJq1WupzeiZNutqFjlsBtfS8Lxd/5ACzPNOwVAD1J5LvfrxR0znuiPiJ4jO/b wVv8DmBA==; Received: from [10.115.3.32] (helo=bosimpout12) by bosmailscan07.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1rXk2q-0006wc-Qn for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Wed, 07 Feb 2024 10:41:04 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp17.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.17]) by bosimpout12 with id kFh12B00G0N5uqq01Fh482; Wed, 07 Feb 2024 10:41:04 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=dOg9ZNRb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=f4kFLigMKr8AH7rIJ//qJA==:117 a=tKttg/DTfI8zZz0UFxdR5w==:17 a=k7vzHIieQBIA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=Cc3N9xrbAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=1R5DeRywHzpXnDYpsX4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=UWoz72TLYcpB9yvK:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 Received: from c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([73.158.253.41]:61968 helo=SRA6) by bosauthsmtp17.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1rXk2n-0004iA-C2; Wed, 07 Feb 2024 10:41:01 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Dick Roy" To: =?UTF-8?Q?'Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let?= =?UTF-8?Q?=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_he?= =?UTF-8?Q?ard_this_time!'?= References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 07:41:00 -0800 Organization: SRA Message-ID: <87AB28F22AA94326B30BCBF6A2BD2EDD@SRA6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_040E_01DA5999.00844DF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdpZ2UiAfi3mfXjoSMKDUApl3TNXTQAAatAA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE X-EN-UserInfo: f809475445fb8041985048e338e1a001:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: dickroy@intellicommunications.com Sender: "Dick Roy" X-EN-OrigIP: 73.158.253.41 X-EN-OrigHost: c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net Subject: Re: [NNagain] tech feudalism X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2024 15:41:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_040E_01DA5999.00844DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of David Bray, PhD via Nnagain Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2024 7:20 AM To: Network Neutrality is back! Let=C2=B4s make the technical aspects = heard this time! Cc: David Bray, PhD Subject: Re: [NNagain] tech feudalism =20 Well said Dave, and what does it say when folks steeped in tech are = aware of the limitations/impacts of too much computing in the classroom? = [RR] Being aware of the limitations is necessary but not sufficient, to = do something about it. It=E2=80=99s the =E2=80=9CDOING = SOMETHING=E2=80=9D that matters! =20 =20 And what does it say for families who don't have the luxury of being = able to provide alternatives for kids at either school or home other = than just sitting in front of a screen?=20 [RR] It=E2=80=99s the greatest systemic threat our civilization (aka = humanity) faces going forward. We are creating a global community of = =E2=80=9Cfaceless, emotionless egotistic organisms=E2=80=9D, none of = which will be able to communicate with each other or have any desire to = do so, and the outcome is obvious and inevitable. The good news is once = that outcome is manifest, global warming will no longer be a problem. = :-(:-(:-( =20 RR =20 =20 On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 8:09=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht via Nnagain = wrote: This discussion about withdrawing computers from the Danish school system made a lot of good points. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D39286269 I have sometimes been a bit frustrated by those that want to extend the internet into schools. I am all in favor of assistive technology (like flash cards! Duolingo!) but the rest... no. --=20 40 years of net history, a couple songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos _______________________________________________ Nnagain mailing list Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain ------=_NextPart_000_040E_01DA5999.00844DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

From: = Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of David Bray, PhD via Nnagain
Sent: Wednesday, February = 7, 2024 7:20 AM
To: Network Neutrality is = back! Let=C2=B4s make the technical aspects heard this time!
Cc: David Bray, PhD
Subject: Re: [NNagain] = tech feudalism

 

Well said Dave, and what does it say when folks steeped in tech = are aware of the limitations/impacts of too much computing in the classroom? =

[RR] Being aware of the limitations is necessary but = not sufficient, to do something about it. It=E2=80=99s the =E2=80=9CDOING = SOMETHING=E2=80=9D that matters! =C2=A0

 

And what does it say for families who don't have the luxury of = being able to provide alternatives for kids at either school or home other = than just sitting in front of a screen?

[RR] It=E2=80=99s the greatest systemic threat our = civilization (aka humanity) faces going forward. =C2=A0We are creating a global community = of =E2=80=9Cfaceless, emotionless egotistic organisms=E2=80=9D, none of which will be able to = communicate with each other or have any desire to do so, and the outcome is obvious = and inevitable. =C2=A0The good news is once that outcome is manifest, global = warming will no longer be a problem. LLL<= b><= /i>

 

RR

 

 

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 8:09=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht via Nnagain = <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.n= et> wrote:

This discussion about withdrawing computers from the Danish = school
system made a lot of good points.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D39286269
=
I have sometimes been a bit frustrated by those that want to extend
the internet into schools. I am all in favor of assistive technology
(like flash cards! Duolingo!) but the rest... no.

--
40 years of net history, a couple songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E
Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos
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