From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-qv1-xf31.google.com (mail-qv1-xf31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51ECA3B29D for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2023 08:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-qv1-xf31.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-67f95d69115so3629816d6.1 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2023 05:06:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1703250374; x=1703855174; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version:from :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=aM+9HXmofQPUGwn2YCCkW7IM21hURXj7hjHP9yxknSA=; b=V7F1DTL8/XzQoKvb2jtCavwDCH5AP8iDCuzL2R+TRyWeV1qXbvOqnCj99DygK9DYOY iSzwFvojgurfriVDJsMHW4+AhRx5OB/YrMKCgaFgT6Zr3/NFZApfxXOeLDkR2vplRH+S 1yFVNOV+aSrg8j1jCc/V6TgjoDEtIym1LmGDll1BFBPWOaYIQsRpHUDjCq2HjSDsxKLG RffO5tiVYuH9V66vfFyoQ+wYKxaIxInlUQTsM07vkKBSFA1vLdm5dpK+Y9Jdwm7LsgX+ DRq50rQr7i0XbTKAhgfb9atj41RCHlA2MqqmuTwKK31rhlKuRCKQA38egvHpS91URXPY +t+Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1703250374; x=1703855174; h=message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject:mime-version:from :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=aM+9HXmofQPUGwn2YCCkW7IM21hURXj7hjHP9yxknSA=; b=YlyyctSpsOYXoDbDKWgowl/680o9pajtpzN4/NWC0FbyDgIHkOFqr1WxEVmFYXOO2l oubn7d5PrSH1pwxgL3BahDodn8kl15WTcjxyZvM5IvW+CF7Z5HSfV2UgDxaCM1iBcydb 9rMlEwxQy+RGZUntrDVpYEclSUUwYR8EWSewLHieynb+/MR+HIScelNlKPLFvtgLvKB0 mTRRUo1vctfZkQ0HRAWPDxN4VQee4MvSYF9dcej+gLq1veaOIOc/XFo3uToyE9JJkL5K rz8nFkHz7MZFENF2PJlBSFU4G3v5c3JnQmfZYCvlI0tOLHlJh4aTDtTMDDUfrBNcALNs rZjg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyjMEKw6frPjLqI7j5HqmwEuS65AgpjvBYc1AYgOAbD24Q+UmlQ fzokVNI33+piPxC/f65j4WVcFK8ZGs8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFxv4ikzRJ5WON8fn2On51euvwcyrs//G0c+47sMBaXp4v366tMV4BociBHBzXXHfm9/JW3ow== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2aa9:b0:67f:4f8b:e29a with SMTP id js9-20020a0562142aa900b0067f4f8be29amr1756815qvb.47.1703250374601; Fri, 22 Dec 2023 05:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([198.55.239.10]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ev3-20020a0562140a8300b0067f6a9a446esm1360247qvb.136.2023.12.22.05.06.12 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 22 Dec 2023 05:06:13 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Brown Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6C3BC3C7-772B-4756-A67E-A066DA0242A4" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.120.41.1.4\)) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 08:06:11 -0500 References: <02cc2879-ef99-4388-bc1e-335a4aaff6aa@gmail.com> <18A40E71-F636-41A9-A8A7-0F4F69E3C99F@gmx.de> <650s1558-6310-063q-s5q2-o782rnnoss29@ynat.uz> <471154o6-no08-67or-p1o2-np919ro26osp@ynat.uz> <05ef1cd50d0e0a681b2cd38b1bdeb0a9@rjmcmahon.com> <4p61qp8r-p1p1-r83r-n283-315548o163po@ynat.uz> <045p54s4-r8p3-o2s7-7qq2-r2p6o28ss7q1@ynat.uz> <91B34F49-D567-4ED2-84CC-EFDBF9895725@gmail.com> To: thejoff@mail.com, =?utf-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?utf-8?Q?pects_heard_this_time!?= In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9AF432D7-2DF2-4E41-8C1A-03C14F8472D3@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.120.41.1.4) Subject: Re: [NNagain] detecting GPT-generated text X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 13:06:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_6C3BC3C7-772B-4756-A67E-A066DA0242A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That was exactly his plan... > cut out the middleman and eliminate the 30 page paper. just keep the = oral. >=20 > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 9:49=E2=80=AFPM Rich Brown via Nnagain = > = wrote: > Sorry, OT: but I couldn't resist... >=20 >> On Dec 19, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Alexandre Petrescu via Starlink = > = wrote: >>=20 >> I asked a few persons around how could one identify GPT-generated = text?=20 >=20 > I recently heard a radio interview with a college professor who was = changing his assignments (especially the standard 30-page paper) in the = face of ChatGPT. His (semi-humorous) metric for detecting AI-generated = content was the lack of spelling or grammar errors... >=20 > Rich >=20 > PS He did have a serious plan: ask each student to give a 15-minute = presentation on the topic that would have been the subject of that 30 = page paper. It takes the same time (or less!) to assess the work, and = gives a personal connection with the students... > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain = > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain --Apple-Mail=_6C3BC3C7-772B-4756-A67E-A066DA0242A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
That was exactly his plan...

cut out the middleman and eliminate the 30 page = paper.  just keep the oral.

On Tue, Dec = 19, 2023 at 9:49=E2=80=AFPM Rich Brown via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
Sorry, OT: but I couldn't resist...

On Dec 19, 2023, at 2:33 PM, Alexandre = Petrescu via Starlink <starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

I asked a few = persons around how could one identify GPT-generated = text? 

I recently heard a radio interview with a college professor = who was changing his assignments (especially the standard 30-page paper) = in the face of ChatGPT. His (semi-humorous) metric for detecting = AI-generated content was the lack of spelling or grammar = errors...

Rich

PS He did have a serious plan: ask each student to give a = 15-minute presentation on the topic that would have been the subject of = that 30 page paper. It takes the same time (or less!) to assess the = work, and gives a personal connection with the = students...
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