From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from secmail.pch.net (secmail.pch.net [206.220.231.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3041B3B29D for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2024 19:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from secmail.pch.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by secmail.pch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TgCyp1MRGz4x5Xn for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:03:14 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: secmail.pch.net (amavisd-new); dkim=pass reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=pch.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pch.net; h= x-mailer:message-id:in-reply-to:to:references:date:subject :mime-version:content-type:from; s=secmail_dkim; t=1708560193; x=1711152194; bh=MtgINSyHHqC82iYTZh+RMnOkN4rncRn9MT2+88rB07s=; b= imHvrI91z4nFH/8mmLlFGD2oyYNeaRVWRfKWtb8TnTDDGHznjFmrkGv2Ni7CJ6Z6 ombhtEktD8zxvk8PgUdW31ysN5iqK2MPueQutRJR2BusZTT2qaAf2Jx6OSonTivO Wy/QCUzlqdGqILc1n+wHD805liFIJx+TEsuPHLTWh/A03C+dibyI/yUF3q9OkalP DvL4TlxcWvGoRsL80rlDcoU8Corenahbgq9HEKDs5FFzLXEMBsE4yq43IamBC793 U93mtO5wziVmLg5AAwLL+zcSCUkPEhib50tDLovpG9FOuB87liM8AJNrl/grQwXg FriPIcQqD0AviEhBO5VhLg== X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at secmail.pch.net Received: from secmail.pch.net ([127.0.0.1]) by secmail.pch.net (secmail.pch.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id jrR8FXrEE2v9 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (itv-02 [69.166.14.6]) by secmail.pch.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4TgCym6g3Dz4xVVP for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:03:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Woodcock Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_72A622D1-AEDB-42DD-9EE2-DAD18A6B1052"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.500.171.1.1\)) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 01:03:10 +0100 References: <07CC415A-D934-464E-B807-DD0972D82628@pch.net> To: =?utf-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?utf-8?Q?pects_heard_this_time!?= In-Reply-To: <07CC415A-D934-464E-B807-DD0972D82628@pch.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.500.171.1.1) Subject: Re: [NNagain] Kansas to build its first IXP X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 00:03:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_72A622D1-AEDB-42DD-9EE2-DAD18A6B1052 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Dec 3, 2023, at 10:43, Bill Woodcock via Nnagain = wrote: >> On Dec 2, 2023, at 21:08, Dave Taht via Nnagain = wrote: >> This is wonderful. It hits all the high notes (accurately). The = interview also. Go Kansas!!! > I=E2=80=99m curious what they=E2=80=99re planning to do with the = $4,992,000 that isn=E2=80=99t needed for the IXP. So Hunter and I talked today, and the rest of the money is going to a = small modular datacenter and the supporting systems for it, which sounds = reasonable given the dearth of appropriate space in Wichita. =20 It looks like there was a =E2=80=9CWichita Data=E2=80=9D DC from = 2005-2017 in an office building at 209 E. William, and they might have = briefly had a space in the office building at 125 N. Market Street, but = they=E2=80=99re long gone. What I see currently available are: A small one in an office suite, well-located at 245 N. Waco: = https://uvsinc.com/concergent-it-a-division-of-uvs/ A small purpose-specific datacenter at 3622 E. Bayley, a couple miles = outside the city center, with about 12,000 sq ft gross.=20 There=E2=80=99s a managed-IT-services place in an industrial park = building at 8201 E 34th Cir N, seven miles NE of the city center, with = about 7,000 sq ft gross, but it=E2=80=99s not clear that they sell any = datacenter services. https://www.isgtech.com The location Hunter is planning to build out is on the campus of Wichita = State University, about three miles NE of the city center, and it would = be small (a modular building, it sounded like somewhere in the 25-50 = racks range, net), but neutral and purpose-specific. I think the confusion arises from the conflation of datacenter and IXP, = which is a complicated issue, and comes up a lot. Hunter and I are = going to talk more tomorrow. In general, I=E2=80=99m pro-IXP, and in general, I=E2=80=99m = pro-datacenter. But they generally need to be in different places and = have very different requirements, so when they get conflated, it get = confusing quickly. -Bill --Apple-Mail=_72A622D1-AEDB-42DD-9EE2-DAD18A6B1052 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEm6XJ0FdpKWJHso4lb6RwSyiLf4cFAmXWjz4ACgkQb6RwSyiL f4dEqhAAqDDQRrsCG4RpyRNbaSZlAgA1//Xif4P0P7nBbOUSlzmN07DrTJrMD/z3 8A9KMLrt7276awzwYWpHwwPjrL9TpYA8u8/1XueZL34iPZTpIssGN7PDmSJd3wcU 0/kR4E3WVKTeTPq/IXqL5gDWPHKN/q21SJWP03yOhuISR8SqHeZwNyAfE8Awj6n2 IdDh/YkA78vM/TkOxqRMSC/RebotAPQUTHksKDBpxWH4aDKcVQZtj/JpVrYKcYWl VFhHiuK3XXXasK0TrK8bcTrvAi173PNfifcf/37OMslM55yxBH57qZfZmZJEi4B1 kwi9lhm21k2PpOpL9NnhiqY+JBnSGwQeos3hXvcnrAB/KwBIN2ie6b1FiITEciom 4qlabptA65248MQdAk/D6ImhtYKUHTKRRDsgT6bimWyuUkqDLaZAVaWZyphY64+L 8zFayTOSIXcQxZ7SnB0piIFbQdQS3jv8wDOrLbVIdrfTsVqBC54FIhvQJmyJM4/8 lyxf0zv/f+mS5Y1bp5wgck+SdFG3Qu3J1vV1Vx8vHqUx3RezDHq6tZ9yiGVIZQxH EwsW9bcHNA00FdVGoZ5Uo9t43VrnQkm8SUr+qQ0aBu5aLayPUqnlUhZHgKnrVVWu OQR4qzkJZNroWbz8jjaN3+nj8GoKF/ci4oRNBiN5BVprC1Kv1Ro= =5xM8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_72A622D1-AEDB-42DD-9EE2-DAD18A6B1052--