From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from bosmailout09.eigbox.net (bosmailout09.eigbox.net [66.96.189.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCDF73CB38 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 22:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from bosmailscan09.eigbox.net ([10.20.15.9]) by bosmailout09.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1rinIg-0006dP-BM for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:23:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alum.mit.edu; s=dkim; h=Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lcDAw6qQTs6Ycp75DUc6vFSuge54ZPu8WmpL2gVWrfo=; b=GbVLI/kVXPfZ91Jv0XKSmdH9gl 0hImDvB3hrf0oNr+vJcjJkfpTTeBMULHR6jSftNbyIWHE2GW/Jl3TxadQW3nuhE7jbK/VhtwjWcEA E1GQdurwYjpKR9qfctIQ1NcMeYiNj2zFaY0gHwYYRyGIXqTLzYmgwhrpl8rIzapJ3bLYbSTEfUaD6 OjTGShyqcqY2cSI0xNKsvhfHvPNg9vzBG+JM3KSD3xau+VdI4InJSx2uNrH4QDDsN8Kf0HBk9YkOG hWhrgFqSMpBrpT3rLAeSKRUdaJRPRyUNF/a9fer7mSFY3WfJauYBeRdBLWjhBNUjU6kC+hjzYA3A8 smvFZdRQ==; Received: from [10.115.3.33] (helo=bosimpout13) by bosmailscan09.eigbox.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1rinIe-00087t-3L for nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net; Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:23:04 -0500 Received: from bosauthsmtp12.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.20.18.12]) by bosimpout13 with id wTP02B0010FdZ9W01TP3W1; Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:23:04 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Q6tJH7+a c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=wx0GOVZTcu8EuaXTIXj3VQ==:117 a=tKttg/DTfI8zZz0UFxdR5w==:17 a=K6JAEmCyrfEA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=kurRqvosAAAA:8 a=20Olw-ucz4-0xLDYqzIA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=MelnTYfzuLUFNZyEiQ0A:9 a=1h9zTDeIwWlkPFr9:21 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=kbxRQ_lfPIoQnHsAj2-A:22 Received: from c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([73.158.253.41]:59442 helo=SRA6) by bosauthsmtp12.eigbox.net with esmtpa (Exim) id 1rinIa-00045C-4W; Fri, 08 Mar 2024 22:23:00 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Dick Roy" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?'Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=B4s_make_the_technical_as?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?pects_heard_this_time!'?= Cc: "'Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:22:56 -0800 Organization: SRA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D4_01DA718E.086655B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AdpxyfOX3jTmb2urQ92CcFJBx+Eg7gABL4+A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE X-EN-UserInfo: f809475445fb8041985048e338e1a001:931c98230c6409dcc37fa7e93b490c27 X-EN-AuthUser: dickroy@intellicommunications.com Sender: "Dick Roy" X-EN-OrigIP: 73.158.253.41 X-EN-OrigHost: c-73-158-253-41.hsd1.ca.comcast.net Subject: Re: [NNagain] Flash priority X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2024 03:23:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01DA718E.086655B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf = Of Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990 via Nnagain Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 6:32 PM To: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net Cc: Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990 Subject: [NNagain] Flash priority =20 One of the things that affects net neutrality and latency is packet = priority and also density of traffic =20 Most of you here probably know there's a flash bit that can be set in a packet to indicated top priority [RR] One man=92s =93top priority=94 packet is another man=92s =93congesting/nuisance=94packet. Assigning priorities to an = application=92s ADUs on the web is simply not going to happen in any logical, rational, or meaningful way for obvious reasons. There is not nor will there be, a global internet police force, and we don=92t really want one again for = obvious reasons. As long as people think that gaming packets have any priority whatsoever, this problem will continue to exist until such time as the information carrying capacity of the internet exceeds that of the = gamer=92s demands by an order of magnitude. And, of course, that will never = happen because when you build a faster highway, =93they=94 will build more cars = to fill it up! IMO, the ONLY =93way forward=94 is to train human beings to = think for themselves and realize that frivolous use of the precious resource = called the web is simply NOT in their best interest. That is, bring up our children to =93get a life=94! For the time being, I guess we all have to = put up with =93stupid cat videos=94and =93minecrafters=94 (OK =85 I am dating = myself:-)) doing what they do best =85 increasing latency for everyone! Thinking = that the web should be a resource for the betterment of mankind is a dream that = will only become a reality when =93WE BELIEVE IT WILL=94! Unfortunately, we = are not there yet :-(:-(:-( =20 RR =20 My question firstly is flash traffic legally restricted on the Internet = or can I upload any priority I wish to send? =20 My question secondly is since I already have firstnet which many of you = may not know about, =20 Let me describe that firstly =20 And I think it was 2012 after 9/11 of 2001 the legislature enacted what = was to become firstnet who now provided as AT&T sole source =20 Firstnet reserves band 14 of lte traffic for exclusive use of first responders communicating with each other including dispatch =20 Certain work I do makes me eligible for firstnet plus I feel a lot of paperwork to get that filled out a lot of paperwork to get that =20 Excuse me I can't keyboard it's the microphone doing that =20 So my second question is assuming you know what firstnet is already = would I as a firstnet connected person be able to send a flash priority packet = if needed? =20 =20 Third question is =20 Is anyone doing CSD these days? For those of you who don't know CSD = takes a hell of a lot of man with to get a little bit of data through but it is capable of sending a secure fax when needed substituting bandwidth for = the word man GM sorry. =20 So my hands shake and I can't use the keyboard and I have ADHD which = leaves errors in place for this I apologize ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01DA718E.086655B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

From: = Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of Douglas Goncz A.A.S. M.E.T. 1990 via = Nnagain
Sent: Friday, March 8, = 2024 6:32 PM
To: = nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net
Cc: Douglas Goncz A.A.S. = M.E.T. 1990
Subject: [NNagain] Flash = priority

 

One of the things that affects net neutrality and latency is = packet priority and also density of traffic

 

Most of you here probably know there's a flash bit that can be = set in a packet to indicated top priority

[RR] One man’s “top priority” = packet is another man’s “congesting/nuisance”packet.=A0 = Assigning priorities to an application’s ADUs on the web is simply not going = to happen in any logical, rational, or meaningful way for obvious = reasons.=A0 =A0There is not nor will there be, a global internet police force, and we = don’t really want one again for obvious reasons. =A0As long as people think = that gaming packets have any priority whatsoever, this problem will continue to = exist until such time as the information carrying capacity of the internet exceeds = that of the gamer’s demands by an order of magnitude. =A0And, of course, = that will never happen because when you build a faster highway, “they” = will build more cars to fill it up!=A0 IMO, the ONLY “way = forward” is to train human beings to think for themselves and realize that frivolous = use of the precious resource called the web is simply NOT in their best = interest. =A0That is, bring up our children to “get a life”! For the time = being, I guess we all have to put up with “stupid cat videos”and = “minecrafters” (OK … I am dating myselfJ= ) doing what they do best = … increasing latency for everyone! Thinking that the web should be a = resource for the betterment of mankind is a dream that will only become a reality = when “WE BELIEVE IT WILL”! Unfortunately, we are not there yet = LLL<= /i>

 

RR

 

My question firstly is flash traffic legally restricted on the = Internet or can I upload any priority I wish to = send?

 

My question secondly is since I already have firstnet which many = of you may not know about,

 

Let me describe that firstly

 

And I think it was 2012 after 9/11 of 2001 the legislature = enacted what was to become firstnet who now provided as AT&T sole = source

 

Firstnet reserves band 14 of lte traffic for exclusive use of = first responders communicating with each other including = dispatch

 

Certain work I do makes me eligible for firstnet plus I feel a = lot of paperwork to get that filled out a lot of paperwork to get = that

 

Excuse me I can't keyboard it's the microphone doing = that

 

So my second question is assuming you know what firstnet is = already would I as a firstnet connected person be able to send a flash priority = packet if needed?

 

 

Third question is

 

Is anyone doing CSD these days? For those of you who don't know = CSD takes a hell of a lot of man with to get a little bit of data through = but it is capable of sending a secure fax when needed substituting bandwidth for = the word man GM sorry.

 

So my hands shake and I can't use the keyboard and I have ADHD = which leaves errors in place for this I apologize

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