Dave Thanks for your comments. I agree that there is much ahead to study about the effects of on-line communication and to improve them. I have attached a copy of the paper as I think you indicated it was difficult to find. All the best JH Joy Hirsch, Ph.D. Elizabeth Mears and House Jameson Professor of Psychiatry, Comparative Medicine, and Neuroscience Director, Brain Function Laboratory Interdepartmental Neuroscience Program Yale School of Medicine Wu Tsai Institute, Yale University 300 George St, Suite 902 New Haven, CT 06511 Professor of Neuroscience (ex officio) Department of Medical Physics and Biomedical Engineering Faculty of Engineering Sciences University College London, London WC1E 6BT, UK Phone mobile: 917 494-7768 e-mail: joy.hirsch@yale.edu e-mail: joyhirsch@yahoo.com website:www.fmri.org www.medicine.yale.edu/lab/hirsch ________________________________ From: Dave Taht Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2023 4:57 PM To: Hirsch, Joy ; bloat ; Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time! Subject: separable processes for live in-person and live zoom-like faces Dear Joy: good paper that extends the idea of zoom fatigue into something closer to zoom-induced somnolence. Thanks for doing this kind of detailed measurements! I would be very interested in a study of brain activity while varying latency alone as the variable for videoconferencing. One being say, a live video feed between the participants (0 latency) vs zoom (at 500ms), or with one jittering around, or one at, say 60ms vs 500ms. I tend to be much happier after a day using "galene.org" which tries for minimum latency than zoom, and still find my ability to interact quickly across a dinner table hard to get into after too many hours on it. Are y'all pursuing further studies? The link to the paper is mildly puzzling in that the token is required, and I am assuming that perhaps it is generating a watermarked version differently on every download? https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwatermark.silverchair.com%2Fimag_a_00027.pdf%3Ftoken%3DAQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAAzQwggMwBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggMhMIIDHQIBADCCAxYGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMBvAQsisJ_ABhWglzAgEQgIIC5womb1HIyE-rX0v_xte9EwVGyabIjMO6g80txKAFqHmQPVEv7FostAfIK-4yXUZnSyLivNxp6pummVVwxB_kCJEyG2DtAH2R8ywkWTTjGw22vpotfz5injZM6fMRQNyTq8dcjtMTTFpEjbsrbupEoMFo7Z0wxqV8bmbPD8xO6hu1T8I8gg5579PZNHt7-PMNgqJVlEaxPY3nMvc1XkKYdh1RIhFetQkAdhhro2eWfu_njMvzdRWVeN2ohY6OnSJSDljWiWxyUOqnKX6tps2XFtVBWUh2sE3HK-EsI-w0EmpBlAC7huyQsXkXW7tmPOwA7yiGQm4uSfcOn_EKGhvzhjHsdP8Mm1QJat6_rWSPZZGwhFzPB2Wl92DDfiSOesKKQBv_OvmGc3FUmFAhqIeAlzlyNkdBydk2hQqvS46OTGfdBEvwpIH_AZclDiLeuyJPP5v2YaoByFQ7w4uXHMyNhEo5mR2_pQ3WM7CpzknZixRvA5TQySW830iH0k00QZwt6a3nphgV6R4int5Pl-QdmCKzFoJ2EuPIBKvG9H5yBq18E6r1jyk1mdFKpo0-OEpLNIBpGm-1SomHw2qo5uCRWoAW6MO7K-sKZokirXGgJ7rIdRznq3BXvYxFKVn7tqJlIAAX6qDrC0bkefj8PEweuk2zIraj1Ri3otbdX3h0zBsKgmdY6qiOn8LtyxIy3vvXLnbiaIColztgAt1cHuI6b0w3rLg7BGSE2cetBDTyGS9OS0NKq91xqljwDAZBFkuKwtfYLzxIeeBy4KrG-PBqGtUEholGjHHyKCwxytw12qvgrTjdX7cXhYJSrs-HBJtRgiP5Yb6DJAQrlqEKeGnyTlPv2o3jNVvT0CZ9zWX8Qm0O6wiGo1PqpxCM3VLw0VXVsWcHJ39eLYN30GuHznYCaH5INdtgZoJdQbmZO3o_tF7itz1uYHItxNK_ZQ3oFKoUQd0e7sx51xaFj6VnNNo39Ms3mdyEQOEp&data=05%7C01%7Cjoy.hirsch%40yale.edu%7Cf5e9e87355214b87d92c08dbe6ef19ce%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638357687303210261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=H7WypNDMzKvbj1H8Kz1dfkX0TBERXAg0EzMHzV7sYR8%3D&reserved=0 -- :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fyurtlab&data=05%7C01%7Cjoy.hirsch%40yale.edu%7Cf5e9e87355214b87d92c08dbe6ef19ce%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C638357687303366476%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=ZWWPpR1kI2YreQj1ChbWYPQJBMiQmXi%2BjtC765ic9b0%3D&reserved=0 Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos