From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ed1-x533.google.com (mail-ed1-x533.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::533]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E45EF3CB37 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ed1-x533.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-55ff5f6a610so810290a12.3 for ; Wed, 07 Feb 2024 07:20:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1707319220; x=1707924020; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=LMzm0Zf8C+X+T5QDYwXlIBdnq2xApz4UYj8rVO5lpO8=; b=KQWGSA2yWVbykamPeQJ3ZHjDTkVp6YprvlJhbD3UPEEK9g0Fh9vW8K79ZZXE3JzHiF nFIm363hGZHeiP4vinJNdtPd4RbbggZhZ4HDYgEFL/QTM/nxkhfaJeajAiB+ew5WzrG8 3MFpUmQZq5r5hILosep1qcDnNy0nc6SlLIoiHZJu4ZSSwSzuTEPe5RhcGLat6gI+k+CB XL6CUhRZkHpfEipO8W2nHcR+TH1J1zEvc5y1LiCIAWqyqJvBmx8vuACnH3OZlQUJjF0R ThnJ9bdGKi0SBaHIUiu07YzSnNqRuGHcItabX9apRm00DsN2FW7CdW6H5FDlp5VevAx9 xCxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1707319220; x=1707924020; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=LMzm0Zf8C+X+T5QDYwXlIBdnq2xApz4UYj8rVO5lpO8=; b=WhtuFPIU3SWyFUD0jU/Xp1pPuq/Zd9TbUjWxRDyTWIzHbnAesZMBvGiYPZFWPTbGoz 7ZEMbDYwNV0z2XOOEnDHYGB7DBZ7JxLq22JeI2CHZQP7BGoebZSdek4qipxV1w2K+ngQ oI1jfIhK23coWCVYrnT1hgJzbK2biabfqI72xTRnxBb5oujglNTY4U0OD84PyF8YKxOf bOTIfOFHgwblAI9CbZdZJhw8gSgI/7SYBcdprQRW8+hSW3oSEcJ9THNPZvoIuUS1UZdc z5P9JcOKICXq7Od92RwjbqZh6F6m0NGvPDtuq4ncnIKHhaHmA7964FtzYUbR/xUP83lz hTVA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwWHLz0wZx8iOZqW92ZTP7tvYR6Y4U+R2hwsDtxnkxwV/Ri2Ks4 OVaKJxnbJ2VRs5G8BSCpb3tZU2g/wHwBiXHxQkT+GE/IlAn8gvb4IfURIAGVs1vd3qdmMQhqG/a pmR1omrgJn9IRQJD+sOcg43oxFnNOZucg X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFRPXTf2ysvS1uqsnrCKZ4ChhfUpSYUQAfZfV4qQTDi+Qs26/kGHF9DmPVVon4LPX4fjxXVKmd7Yb8gfMLxDnA= X-Received: by 2002:a50:cc9b:0:b0:560:bd42:a3ba with SMTP id q27-20020a50cc9b000000b00560bd42a3bamr3489594edi.14.1707319220126; Wed, 07 Feb 2024 07:20:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "David Bray, PhD" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 10:19:43 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a247050610cc3bc7" Subject: Re: [NNagain] tech feudalism X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2024 15:20:22 -0000 --000000000000a247050610cc3bc7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well said Dave, and what does it say when folks steeped in tech are aware of the limitations/impacts of too much computing in the classroom? And what does it say for families who don't have the luxury of being able to provide alternatives for kids at either school or home other than just sitting in front of a screen? On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 8:09=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > This discussion about withdrawing computers from the Danish school > system made a lot of good points. > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D39286269 > > I have sometimes been a bit frustrated by those that want to extend > the internet into schools. I am all in favor of assistive technology > (like flash cards! Duolingo!) but the rest... no. > > -- > 40 years of net history, a couple songs: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --000000000000a247050610cc3bc7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well said Dave, and what does it say when folks steep= ed in tech are aware of the limitations/impacts of too much computing in th= e classroom?

And what does it say for familie= s who don't have the luxury of being able to provide alternatives for k= ids at either school or home other than just sitting in front of a screen? =


On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 8:09=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht v= ia Nnagain <nnagain@lis= ts.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
This discussion about withdrawing computers from the Dani= sh school
system made a lot of good points.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D39286269
I have sometimes been a bit frustrated by those that want to extend
the internet into schools. I am all in favor of assistive technology
(like flash cards! Duolingo!) but the rest... no.

--
40 years of net history, a couple songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD9RGX6QFm5E
Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos
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