Re: [NNagain] an eloquent critique of NASA

["David Bray, PhD" <david.a.bray@gmail.com>]

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To Robert's point - humans weren't designed for space environments. Robots
do make more sense. For humans to survive space, we'll have to change who
we are at the genomic level - which is probably a Pandora's Box we're not
ready for yet.

Meanwhile China probably will land humans on the moon within the next four
years of whomever is the next U.S. President. That may happen before the
U.S. returns to the Moon. Either way, a "base" on the Moon by 2035 (which
is PRC's goal) even if it's robots - or humans with the risk of loss of
life) raises some challenges in terms of SIGINT, GEOINT, and the general
ability to hurl rocks into Earth's gravity well.


On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 9:58 AM Robert McMahon via Nnagain <
nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:

> The hard part is life support systems and not so much the rockets. Musk
> handwaves and claims life support is easy, both on Mars and in the
> spacecraft t/fro. The song reveals it's not so easy to keep humans healthy
> and well, even on this earth where humans evolved to survive.
>
> Musk constantly fails in his claims. His cult like following demonstrates
> Festinger's When Phrophecy Fails. Failed prophecy which, counter to
> intuition, strengthens the cult's belief in their leader. It's an illness
> and not something to promote by my judgment. I think us selecting leaders
> and peers that work from a basis of reality is they way to improve things.
> See the world as it is.
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
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> " the team had seen that in some cases the failure of a prophecy, rather
> than causing a rejection of the original belief system, could lead
> believers to increase their personal commitment, and also increase their
> efforts to recruit others into the belief"
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> On Sun, Oct 6, 2024, 6:14 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 10:46 AM Robert McMahon <rjmcmahon@rjmcmahon.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> SpaceX is no better than NASA by my opinion. A proper critique was done
>>> in 1970 and still applies today. See link. I grew up in Houston & with
>>> astronauts & their kids because LBJ was from Texas. Seen space projects my
>>> entire life. Focus should be on our planet and robots on the others. The
>>> ego centric view of manned space flight is an illness by my opinion.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/wtSSP8FVUGY?feature=shared
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>> Hey, thx. I had heard of, but not heard, that poem before.
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>> As a counter, for the inspiring need for humans in space: try:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD1ixTr4JWY&t=50s
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>> Otherwise I do generally prefer robotic exploration. Building and flying
>> modernized versions of this would be fun:
>> https://dartslab.jpl.nasa.gov/References/pdf/2019-mars-heli.pdf
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>> hopefully tomorrow Hera launches!
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>>> Bob
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>>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2024, 7:03 PM Dave Taht via Nnagain <
>>> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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>>>> https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2024/10/02/sls-is-still-a-national-disgrace/
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