From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ej1-x62e.google.com (mail-ej1-x62e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89E6F3B2A4 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 10:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a99f646ff1bso36768266b.2 for ; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:20:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1728742800; x=1729347600; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=rRBNZOocXj16DBaKGcRpDxELRg+Ji5H2mRGwd8Lk+Uw=; b=kFNES+TkxTiGw4hic7EzPcl1/WRGzE0p7fQE1LRXZx7p+YlxYS+z8hk7GU2kXOpEpf flkDhoMmMQpoA43d370R6opVL3IKZPOUR+LSxbIAppwqjyyaFEMoVOoY5d/4DWfs61t/ KI06816mGeMDkiBXjrk7SiWCP2z7IIksGDceW1Nd/7JLPIzg4ossDesXdJg8KcQnHKhq cft1tll4KgEcftgUZ8Y0kmXbSmP3Fcr9mPEjDOHyEDFhRTKyj94dLaaWZ5U62CHdH3fL Bil7Sy73lQPlcrYM3u9P8K219qFQE+NSQvujh24LqTM/HKgQODcbrBOLRLrL+R0BK1xS KwBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1728742800; x=1729347600; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=rRBNZOocXj16DBaKGcRpDxELRg+Ji5H2mRGwd8Lk+Uw=; b=s/SnoB0Jo6XwVArTXxGECwRPqnYsNtWselyhPPOk82fjK5OsFPaZN6f22o9WkY3KDh SwKUwXqE9THi++yNFT4j5zsqS3TJxXxmk/B+/xzLMbdbxdOI2rjGkzh1TwkZOLBH4ie0 fwPTF0rrzN5mPtXYtSgonKnG3bMgC3lbjuylRRhme5lWGv7voetfa1vbvt3mjI5ztW8t 0i/QU8j2mhJ91iqGw/5ndU89PirEk3Q4QSUXb7f29g/3DYGZGcqLjlHF7PC3GjNlZ/Wx ChQyh4SMvA7Ikkx+tDzjYQOHC71Z1qnyzQjViM+EDg9jPwM46ZexF0ukYBqo4PNTRYTj qhEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxMDsTfp5wbtZbYuamxf9iUMvF9VM4oH/meDzbnLC2Rr1r3+tfA /Bn4S0lZXFs6fPF2ZzFK3A1k/Gwt7ZrtugLrvYdHSrvzAqnGS43A/jW4ntAcFrjx2AdyFROtCy3 b5DpgOXQTjF+w3tRfU9tNRClw+kMw2g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IH8EUbkCFE5bxf5FzXRE+ei8QTm9Fl3YcF326/MkINCs7EDXgFJYnuFJ44InkSpy91gm+E6NBc/q7uvNmlUqZg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:4fc8:b0:a8a:6c5d:63b2 with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a99b937a6d4mr462600366b.18.1728742799826; Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:19:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "David Bray, PhD" Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 10:19:22 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007dea3d0624484c4d" Subject: Re: [NNagain] benton broadband futures post-election X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 14:20:01 -0000 --0000000000007dea3d0624484c4d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Currently part of a group that's helping with the post-Helene recovery in North Carolina and post-Milton recovery in Florida. There have been three technologies that have overwhelmingly helped with the recovery: 1. helicopters or other airborne assets that can assess damage from above (there's tech that can scan for signs of people needing help, one such instance identified a potential face of a person in mud from >20,000 feet away... it was a garden gnome) 2. portable generators using various fuel sources (essential when the grid is down) 3. Starlink ... especially for North Carolina where the electrical grid was seriously impacted - without Starlink there would not have been the chance of getting assessments of needs and triaging of recovery efforts. Expect this to be something referenced in 2025 when the post-Hurricane aftermath is sorted out regarding broadband futures. Even volunteer teams from other tech companies to help with the recovery have turned to Starlink for comms. On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM Robert McMahon via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > Matching the OSP to the end users is the tricky part. Cadence matching is > critical. It's analogous to pelotons in cycling. An ASIC is a 24-36 month > cycle. > > The market dynamic that works the best is consumer purchases where no > financial analysis is done rather people buy tech for a purpose or for us= e > case(s). > > The next missing piece is Fi-Wi. That will make home networks phenomenal > and as simple as a whole home fire alarm system. When this occurs, > consumers will push back on service providers to upgrade their OSP faster > because they are not being limited by the mobile phone as the primary use= r > device. Life support use cases, redundancy and quarantining of bad acting > devices will be standard practice (as are circuit breakers, AFCI an GCF i= n > our electric panels) > > Universal service is a must here too, even within a building. Life suppor= t > is not only for the wealthy. (And those going to Mars won't get such eith= er > - no escaping reality) > > I get the broadband focus (and that Elon Muisk is a disaster in the > making,) but "Wi-Fi only inside" is not sufficient at all and there reall= y > is nothing stopping us from addressing this that I can see. Fix the homes > with fronthaul and wireless to the last meters using the only two mediums > that matter, fiber and RF over spacetime. Most everything else will follo= w. > > Bob > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:20=E2=80=AFPM Vint Cerf via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> good analysis >> >> v >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 11:19=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain < >> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> https://www.benton.org/blog/impact-election-broadband-sector >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nnagain mailing list >>> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >>> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >>> >> >> >> -- >> Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to: >> Vint Cerf >> Google, LLC >> 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor >> Reston, VA 20190 >> +1 (571) 213 1346 >> >> >> until further notice >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > --0000000000007dea3d0624484c4d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Currently part of a group that's helping with the= post-Helene recovery in North Carolina and post-Milton recovery in Florida= . There have been three technologies that have overwhelmingly helped with t= he recovery:

1. helicopters or other airborne= assets that can assess damage from above (there's tech that can scan f= or signs of people needing help, one such instance identified a potential f= ace of a person in mud from >20,000 feet away... it was a garden gnome)<= br>
2. portable generators using various fuel sources (essential = when the grid is down)
3. Starlink

.= .. especially for North Carolina where the electrical grid was seriously im= pacted - without Starlink there would not have been the chance of getting a= ssessments of needs and triaging of recovery efforts. Expect this to be som= ething referenced in 2025 when the post-Hurricane aftermath is sorted out r= egarding broadband futures. Even volunteer teams from other tech companies = to help with the recovery have turned to Starlink for comms.



On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM Robert Mc= Mahon via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
= Matching the OSP to the end users is the tricky part. Cadence matching is c= ritical. It's analogous to pelotons in cycling. An ASIC is a 24-36 mont= h cycle.

The market dynamic that works the best i= s consumer purchases where no financial analysis is done rather people buy = tech for a purpose or for use case(s).

The next missing piece= is Fi-Wi. That will make home networks phenomenal and as simple as a whole= home fire alarm system. When this occurs, consumers will push back on serv= ice providers to upgrade their OSP faster because they are not being limite= d by the mobile phone as the primary user device. Life support use cases, r= edundancy and quarantining of bad acting devices will be standard practice = (as are circuit breakers, AFCI an GCF in our electric panels)

Universal service is a must here too, even within a building. Li= fe support is not only for the wealthy. (And those going to Mars won't = get such either - no escaping reality)

I get the broadband focus (an= d that Elon Muisk is a disaster in the making,) but "Wi-Fi only inside= " is not sufficient at all and there really is nothing stopping us fro= m addressing this that I can see. Fix the homes with fronthaul and wireless= to the last meters using the only two mediums that matter, fiber and RF ov= er spacetime. Most everything else will follow.

Bob
<= br>
On Thu,= Oct 10, 2024 at 6:20=E2=80=AFPM Vint Cerf via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloa= t.net> wrote:
good analysis

v

On Thu, Oct 1= 0, 2024 at 11:19=E2=80=AFPM Dave Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net= > wrote:
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