From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw1-x1135.google.com (mail-yw1-x1135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FAC33CB37 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 19:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-yw1-x1135.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-6079d44b02bso3493457b3.3 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 16:09:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1708646963; x=1709251763; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=UegY8gJ7364b+XeWm+lBMO/TmayYlC1/qggwLLAH5xY=; b=WpPNImKZuFv1+fLpG9emXgtswhp7qSUIz9qHPevBX0uhKypdlx917Dokx7pU9Th3Hv z7I435upNhnRNtIC2iEfc5dW4U+/J3Qn0Kb9jAaxRg1wcE5LPPubijwNCTsph6lrRMk8 rqZNspeSBN/wKqym3964+Ma8Ep7biMcjj4Bl58W8oJxLnpvNWnEZqA3m2jOGXlg/o3FW 6jVL1s6KPWvpfq6oSBVDb/0VT9NJBAH9rKJ62erDu0udGd9fVO+plDuyNs1wtwadyu01 ZiK7k57T2mWCzrP8vkIrYkWkJnk7TkJQtpaPzfpeizMn9OujZsSEzoCKNEI4dh7QnKmH pt3g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708646963; x=1709251763; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=UegY8gJ7364b+XeWm+lBMO/TmayYlC1/qggwLLAH5xY=; b=pyDNwBZq2K7VU4+vZ4TlEk1eYUXSJb8CLoOV+r3bsojlKnwzHq/aud1SF44mAzmWR3 9jFeL/jFNq3hFwBJk+qE7jWN9bdcTA66ou320a4BzZ7amE2kISHtqpS25cBkd/D9peaL wGXYTnB4ZLVnAAR7hkxne4lRg4Xu2leG2sj6MirzZV/UEyWN0KX7KcPNfny5gT01p8Nc ogEoUFmEZiC6YcjsYXxvPENNv+FQPp9yUacL3B2Ne8SmGE3esz+hZvvP6owAFdnFB9Zk OS5wPbk1c3tye0RxIJKuoR1t5pT8nfIGN09+ADARzCpw3X8wxtx5nemySoG1d8fisXZn d2rg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwuJlY7NttIgDOzsem9WuPsDqDIIxsYbhVPOpFJH3YuFu0p4fct Mh7SHR5HYmFU5B6zXIsYWHND1zCaEzAXKDjJtYRkSufFsQze+LakTY0u2d1M X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFGZqtjjHXkDz+wHA0yXWjTSOMLMTEAdPDABungkNTlW22jv9MUK1TAQjCb9sKh0V0B8aDBwg== X-Received: by 2002:a81:b504:0:b0:608:b5e4:9576 with SMTP id t4-20020a81b504000000b00608b5e49576mr411023ywh.45.1708646963188; Thu, 22 Feb 2024 16:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2600:1700:2c58:d080:bdf9:8e90:fd4e:18bc]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i79-20020a816d52000000b00608b1597facsm243293ywc.137.2024.02.22.16.09.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 22 Feb 2024 16:09:22 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Dave Cohen Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2024 19:09:12 -0500 Message-Id: References: Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_techni?= =?utf-8?Q?cal_aspects_heard_this_time!?= , Brent Legg In-Reply-To: To: Bill Woodcock X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (21D61) Subject: Re: [NNagain] The Whys of the Wichita IXP Project X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 00:09:24 -0000 Prior to roughly 2016-17, most IXs in the US that we worked with were in a s= ingle site and that site was often not a third-party facility, often a priva= te R&E oriented datacenter. I believe that aligns with what you were noting a= few comments ago in this thread. I don=E2=80=99t believe that that is the c= ase any longer.=20 Dave Cohen craetdave@gmail.com > On Feb 22, 2024, at 7:04=E2=80=AFPM, Bill Woodcock wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >=20 >> On Feb 23, 2024, at 01:03, Dave Cohen wrote: >> I think this landscape is changing. These days I=E2=80=99m only focused o= n a couple of specific markets, but in those markets we are seeing both 1) a= proliferation of IXs either adding nodes in new facilities or getting conne= ctivity out to them to provide at least some capability and 2) datacenter pr= oviders, particularly more large-deployment-oriented facilities, seeking to a= ttract IXPs in their sites or drive connectivity out to them as part of thei= r own connectivity offerings. >=20 > How does any of that constitute a change? >=20 > -Bill >=20