From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa1-x31.google.com (mail-oa1-x31.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF2843B29E for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2024 10:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oa1-x31.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-26875ace6cbso465517fac.1 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2024 07:17:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1723731427; x=1724336227; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=aMMdrxEq8VticTCBP5UdVo6dXM+3Z3QIWDSdZTlPrbc=; b=Z+WygcdarhCDQTLCtEy9yx1cH5VVCBNGAQDfDEKOYUsKbv+VrZX0JQhaW233aKPNhL 2E9UIriDO2NMlt2jQGHgERRmCYyUHzPP72WPV3QpXhyMeRjS5VMtpIj5bUz7ipo7Jtv1 hDvqvlb4CHS8lqlMUYc5FGcc1JWz7ywaq+Q4V+PFCDHJyuRkGoNNUv6vgtnRmwrfffKD O6tuM2DkbpYAwVLm3yyUc+k4gME9ttSUFcHvFyIShh9G24AqGGLTXe45+BdoBbi8ieJR aWG1rXPOX5s0nhlVdSADEMHvUKf5pK5CtmYKaMUKg6nZ6WIeNHHWAd0MdnGQSWjTzzwM gAnw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1723731427; x=1724336227; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=aMMdrxEq8VticTCBP5UdVo6dXM+3Z3QIWDSdZTlPrbc=; b=ddYgzSXSQGVWm3op0/Dbk1H0ZfjV/zLuR+a1/8vsdtJUWC75ZEUSFuLoj+y5mJp6Ph DH9PHU2mFIxhN4jq2OoAH+fOYe1h5QRJdkwnr14TTBxVYkxILFOlIzD/EgsrsbHzc9wI 8tSyCMyCcqEJXXPCpImo/K+WM2hny6HlVKo4rSD+rRwDDU0JtnVxMvDySE5rVdPgjQzE yw4mCdRd6GtWEIGOabSvOinq+NqenE80zXn3QGzEYxJxfWz+9G34sEMVOH5GbmcvtRF6 g8tNQMZIK2WOlGS5GH8Hk4C7sqSNHHt+BeqWXNvpQul9gMN0AgOHDUZKGIipVVDHiLQf rKQA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yyp0o0KpIxOS3pSyJ4mmksRk4N5PZo++V/YCL61n3f4xHyL02jY Nv516FyTbYIUlTWVMCFwo+ToGcOEXtzfa7IIhEujI4halQ9SAi+eJZwkuHAiduULvHz1BGYpjUA 7d6o1/eS+IuRGZo0PSTS4P4F7RUM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFsblUqHG6IBzRUKEtGIWc326hkxhTypAwENbBKd6IWVVlA7F+4sRM4bI8EGDSW6oOnoqXqMCDvQm2VDTFDh/s= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:4708:b0:260:25ef:c5a0 with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-26fff3d6199mr1401155fac.5.1723731426886; Thu, 15 Aug 2024 07:17:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9F54B8F8-3B2B-4F45-A197-E6137A74F492@comcast.com> In-Reply-To: <9F54B8F8-3B2B-4F45-A197-E6137A74F492@comcast.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 07:16:52 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Livingood, Jason" Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000063500a061fb97f3e" Subject: Re: [NNagain] nn back in the news X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:17:07 -0000 --00000000000063500a061fb97f3e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps it would have been better to say that "one of the sites I read regularly just put out an update on it." :) I like to think that bufferbloat.net's NOI filing did a bit of good, getting cited 16 times, but not changing the top level conclusions one iota. Doing another one this year is on my mind in followup, but aside from harping on our latency points, pointing to progress, and the need for more IXPs, I don't know what top level items could be addressed, again? I'd have to buckle down and re-read what resonated, and what didn't. Perhaps something might come out of the DNC? I have been enjoying Carr's negative posts on BEAD, but there must be some bright news in that program somewhere by now? I am perhaps reading too much into it, but with a potentially younger crowd moving into office, perhaps more technical clue is arriving? I'm very happy to see mudge make CIO at darpa. The white house got a cto yet? The FCC? PS Ms Shotwell did a great fireside chat at Mountain Connect: https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-community-events/shotwell On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 6:27=E2=80=AFAM Livingood, Jason < jason_livingood@comcast.com> wrote: > I would say it is not =E2=80=9Cback=E2=80=9D in the news =E2=80=93 it has= continuously been in the > news since the Loper Bright SCOTUS ruling that impacts =E2=80=9CChevron d= eference=E2=80=9D > as well the major questions doctrine issue raised in W VA vs EPA. As many > people have long said, this will be tied up in the courts for several > years. > > Personal take =E2=80=93 in the long-term it will be better to have legisl= ation > that codifies this (as well as a national cross-sector privacy law). > > > > JL > > > > *From: *Nnagain on behalf of Dave > Taht via Nnagain > *Reply-To: *Network Neutrality is back! Let=C2=B4s make the technical asp= ects > heard this time! > *Date: *Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 07:41 > *To: *Network Neutrality is back! Let=C2=B4s make the technical aspects h= eard > this time! > *Cc: *Dave Taht > *Subject: *[NNagain] nn back in the news > > > > > > https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/isps-ask-supreme-court-to-kil= l-new-york-law-that-requires-15-broadband-plans/ > > > -- > > > > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos > --=20 Artists/Musician Campout Aug 9-11 https://www.eventbrite.com/e/healing-arts-event-tickets-928910826287 Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --00000000000063500a061fb97f3e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Perhaps it would have been better to say that "one of= the sites I read regularly just put out an update on it." :)=C2=A0
I like to think that bu= fferbloat.net's NOI filing did a bit of good, getting cited 16 time= s, but not changing the top level conclusions one iota. Doing another one t= his year is on my mind in followup, but aside from harping on our latency p= oints, pointing to progress, and the need for more IXPs, I don't know w= hat top level items could be addressed, again? I'd have to buckle down = and re-read what resonated, and what didn't.

P= erhaps something might come out of the DNC?

I have= been enjoying Carr's negative posts on BEAD, but there must be some br= ight news in that program somewhere by now?

I am p= erhaps reading too much into it,=C2=A0but with=C2=A0a potentially=C2=A0youn= ger crowd moving into office, perhaps more technical clue is arriving? I= 9;m very happy to see mudge make CIO at darpa. The white=C2=A0house got a c= to yet? The FCC?

PS =C2=A0Ms Shotwell did a great = fireside chat at Mountain Connect:=C2=A0https://www.broadband.io/c/broadban= d-community-events/shotwell


On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at= 6:27=E2=80=AFAM Livingood, Jason <jason_livingood@comcast.com> wrote:

I would say it is not= =E2=80=9Cback=E2=80=9D in the news =E2=80=93 it has continuously been in t= he news since the Loper Bright SCOTUS ruling that impacts =E2=80=9CChevron = deference=E2=80=9D as well the major questions doctrine issue raised in W VA vs EPA. As many people have long said, this will be tied up in the cour= ts for several years.

Personal take =E2=80=93 in the long-term it will be better to have legislat= ion that codifies this (as well as a national cross-sector privacy law).

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JL

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From: Nnaga= in <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of Dave Taht= via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Reply-To: Network Neutrality is back! Let=C2=B4s make the technical = aspects heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Date: Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 07:41
To: Network Neutrality is back! Let=C2=B4s make the technical aspect= s heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Cc: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
Subject: [NNagain] nn back in the news

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