From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-oo1-xc29.google.com (mail-oo1-xc29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A95833CB40 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2024 18:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-oo1-xc29.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5e7a13b34ffso1376784eaf.2 for ; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 15:14:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1728252879; x=1728857679; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=HaGXLE+u/G+fGzcSUNeVM+5D+hHp/S1hGIpfglm9cEA=; b=VfBwai/rkxoWrjBWtl5P1oiJOoKYPjHnE1jyOrZevsEWqCkrc3VZgE9DGCij1dF+aP sIZvDky85HfMlzORusLMjkGuFeSbMtdwluPGHc6Q9V0wjGO9ZPYuuUH8WVhas3VcDB3n BIT8KJGeH1cqlLP/kYjVZzIOxgVJgJ2K+JOripB4n3K3K5JMSx1Ykl2suuTiXM/A8jMV aT5gevAPfvsoDK86JdDSpHjlNuoC2oGEqyZngdcvY81mqTDVLtED6WFNwZ2Wm1Fx4hBn 59KeCvmPV4rtS6oqCvGrz1XK/agbp/cIytQQmZ7s37ZO6Nn08/RL1P6C3Q1TQe2Eu5af wRAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1728252879; x=1728857679; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=HaGXLE+u/G+fGzcSUNeVM+5D+hHp/S1hGIpfglm9cEA=; b=GHwJog2OhNDZ4OJJr04EBu3dTLKB1IIvDU9uzJExV3sL5hek8IcCs3ht9muVvPhUEP uEd484GcFzhW/jz+X9LrlsFSDT/CoDppfLPX7tZ+OBzJuRbG3NzCC6JOEfF4Dyxm2z8x ag92YNcDL5IIQvjLzOhNEsTDVqtW2emJ16KyM4q7noggzS3rt8yK/U9wz3Wyt51TMKQ3 wK8GYxVEw8AoYUXUl46KhvjciH4VfJ6H7GnsAtVqhrj8ABquUBYd5Fz81i63qXVG4jkU j0gLeT9q5GcB48Tchz0TDufPSS9swyv6Mi1G1gDXPlFnC3DGnrs+p304XoT5EDBgN6T8 uPCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwWwwNmGka0dLXzJn6TbNujF4c58kDMjUgG2xvieuy0hBYo71vt MFBt15wLLriXtlAqHpB5Ej7FhB2l8vQ0sHpYx1DIALaQpyblqJqS2Pg7QJ7Z1NMlWt5+KehyxWn VLUKmbOTXmwtPubV3ilVcMXiehEZIeXST X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFDBiheTGFavxqUEcqTFPQwqC2GDk+0y3exeTtQ5sZqoN7XQftF/nStrRcDUCFvwyM0OGty2cn08yyAmSRYeiE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:d0c5:b0:277:d17b:50b4 with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-287c1db21d8mr5793574fac.5.1728252878705; Sun, 06 Oct 2024 15:14:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2024 15:14:25 -0700 Message-ID: To: Robert McMahon Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eae3b00623d63a6d" Subject: Re: [NNagain] an eloquent critique of NASA X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2024 22:14:39 -0000 --000000000000eae3b00623d63a6d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 10:46=E2=80=AFAM Robert McMahon wrote: > SpaceX is no better than NASA by my opinion. A proper critique was done i= n > 1970 and still applies today. See link. I grew up in Houston & with > astronauts & their kids because LBJ was from Texas. Seen space projects m= y > entire life. Focus should be on our planet and robots on the others. The > ego centric view of manned space flight is an illness by my opinion. > > https://youtu.be/wtSSP8FVUGY?feature=3Dshared > Hey, thx. I had heard of, but not heard, that poem before. As a counter, for the inspiring need for humans in space: try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlD1ixTr4JWY&t=3D50s Otherwise I do generally prefer robotic exploration. Building and flying modernized versions of this would be fun: https://dartslab.jpl.nasa.gov/References/pdf/2019-mars-heli.pdf hopefully tomorrow Hera launches! > > > Bob > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2024, 7:03 PM Dave Taht via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >> >> >> https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2024/10/02/sls-is-still-a-national-di= sgrace/ >> >> -- >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain >> > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --000000000000eae3b00623d63a6d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable





On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 10:46=E2=80=AFAM Robert McMahon &= lt;rjmcmahon@r= jmcmahon.com> wrote:
SpaceX is no better than NASA by my opinion. = A proper critique was done in 1970 and still applies today. See link. I gre= w up in Houston & with astronauts & their kids because LBJ was from= Texas. Seen space projects my entire life. Focus should be on our planet a= nd robots on the others. The ego centric view of manned space flight is an = illness by my opinion.=C2=A0

Hey, thx. I had heard of, but not hea= rd, that poem before.

As a counter, for the inspiring ne= ed for humans in space: try:=C2=A0https://www.youtube.com/watc= h?v=3DlD1ixTr4JWY&t=3D50s

Otherwise I do g= enerally=C2=A0prefer robotic exploration. Building and flying modernized=C2= =A0versions of this would be fun:=C2=A0https://dartslab.= jpl.nasa.gov/References/pdf/2019-mars-heli.pdf

hopefully=C2=A0tomorrow Hera launches!

=C2= =A0


Bob

On Thu, Oct 3, 2024, 7:03 PM Dave Taht vi= a Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
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