From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x336.google.com (mail-wm1-x336.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::336]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E15FC3B29D for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2024 08:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm1-x336.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-412c83a809cso3950385e9.3 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2024 05:23:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709299426; x=1709904226; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=HDa4z1ZJe9J0wfzENY8Ox5aISCQQL+//6VGTUGSRkNg=; b=WIN1mCb3TsSWvnqfWI5dQS5liRbLttsLUN4IwX3IJe5P3JWiXVfjWm3vTZ113y6SMF T/Whj53xdColtXA3ZsN+G8vpcrLIKUu1U45H/+/kKgbjCpdJs0OG636Z/vPtT6RTf7DU 2HGShGRdakLTOgKi/7sZyGBWEutU4i4NllLis/mCNiwQ1+d3+daMT9NpLB3t7Ea9izVI G6aB8XZ4Gs1DXtH63FWNK/i5w5AkJd/wBFA7w+JxI6lJj/cBb5bo8dpskCpGalrIwLEQ QYzROUDaM0YmniZlkWkveldwD/Cd2qIZOWRhN9mGafOnmiBWFtG7LkBJitK9L7UnbmoQ WUaw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709299426; x=1709904226; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=HDa4z1ZJe9J0wfzENY8Ox5aISCQQL+//6VGTUGSRkNg=; b=Ba9uGmMFY8vlRulP45wl0l5ICDDBG45e8RlwX3ih2ALRhlvgJBWYHMrCA7VdWEcjzB abUhA1FVxQ1zeMhMFAnYuMrm1nLfdA6KaFrEnSTCMqTVNI+ehN2oCdbeurlzuKQKNOu8 mIeBq2d112N7RRoqYGH0pWgzJTcUtdbY0E2kN0wgmCqmWVranT4ntTYtaxe4T+O88jqb TRAC4j+yOMdlctabwbgXOd0YapnE5IMH+bjmyUD6XhVe+QOO6E0WS8n4eD9B430ue4Va YlSY401Vd6i7bfK8/8XOmerFQpflbHGWpseTYxno9KJA+NDllxkoCHXcTW+hIb11Dyx5 gFEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz7FaCbzNTHbc4oQac6bA9n8ugUv+AY5bDjTHjQvwL8dCWqWJoM vusfNG0ww2f4EUT70ja14xye36yg059ISY8+ihB5UsZ+1J5diO9xG7UdybATCglVVfpT0pVWIv7 Q8UgtR4Qt/oM+/TNa3sysAAR3APTHnoCUY6k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEVofCrrgs/+AorPdI5DzE0XnVBIBXnxQUsMmmBlZoc90VzYTcGjQF+6Jme5N/r3t7AIXwaRRoheKeD7R8XU+o= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:3554:b0:412:10a1:25e5 with SMTP id i20-20020a05600c355400b0041210a125e5mr1472303wmq.36.1709299426301; Fri, 01 Mar 2024 05:23:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <13f504f19eb2d57e63d13e843606d2ad@rjmcmahon.com> <112BE76E-0AF5-4418-AF5D-7F3793C3F80B@pch.net> In-Reply-To: <112BE76E-0AF5-4418-AF5D-7F3793C3F80B@pch.net> From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2024 08:23:33 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [NNagain] Geoff Huston's panel X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2024 13:23:48 -0000 I put a link to Geoff=C2=B4s talk over here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D39561073 On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 6:00=E2=80=AFAM Bill Woodcock via Nnagain wrote: > > > > > On Feb 29, 2024, at 23:02, rjmcmahon via Nnagain wrote: > > TV affiliates could have inserted their own ads but nationals (ABC, CBS= and NBC) had the copyright to the content. It wasn't technology that stopp= ed the affiliates but what came to be known as broadcast rights. And lots o= f case law. > > Back in the 2000-2005 timeframe, prior to HTTPS becoming ubiquitous, ther= e was a lot of work on local ad-replacement on the web, particularly in cou= ntries that were receiving advertising primarily in languages their users d= idn=E2=80=99t speak. That was also prior to most of the per-user tracking = and cache-busting, of course. > > -Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain --=20 https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/2024_predictions/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos