From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x333.google.com (mail-wm1-x333.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::333]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B71D3B2A4 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 11:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x333.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-414618e6820so10271995e9.0 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 08:50:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1710863422; x=1711468222; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=qkDbum5EGYgN+0Wf75ntU2tgCse7h5fkiVdysTclY2A=; b=I5hICyWCaD6zxL5hxc36Xjf1U1mvNE77jOn9uHeiEPbIcdvvdJu1QpXI6wh4JsAG1K X17riIQajdspW3NZNfboV3GUP0GJWEDLIwPYGys/Hy4w1cdMmggJNHGB8M5VcwJjTMHa OPpQO7mbhb6Ihd8jyHtUztaI3I+0GwGQuVkU0bP9AaGBhFVQI3BIrPjei+PXQdYEquBA 8A3qYZlzNpUR+n13J3pDCSCDsiKhB0UXkEANFjuIgrKDuHRI4h21eGJ832l6d3CS/4Ak ML1p/TZIZjF7Yq9XBFrVE79MfIhjvGWl2UDSHljtiJqxr1lk9x7YhGWWZwgG8j0lwDqp 64QQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1710863422; x=1711468222; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=qkDbum5EGYgN+0Wf75ntU2tgCse7h5fkiVdysTclY2A=; b=tc4UnKuDWRFcSteXvn/q5e2dpIAH+jGgPZ5nStIeKDBtwVWyz0YWRJhEIYRbnJ+AMF 8dgL96mWgQL4cugeo2ukyJUns2mA/w55AUKdd4gp9n3DzvcqbupoMwov+iS4EtPPhdMK 73IyhnoZInW2U0TOQJ7kHzE4FHmXSpadixdQAbKwqibSCnuiPAp9C0RM6r86ifVxMAh/ c7lPXJSV5jiLifZdnjmgJqDjia+97J1+jw/aVvCd0kBja2jm7i8InxNvWKJfHNX+u+xv FGHkV61pIM3iCwDk5p5HItt9EYdKs8RAl00FQE1+Oq5giQsDQIVgifhA803uU/vOIxFi Vi+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw9GSHLC39EtksOLdSlb7tVtUsD14JbA+vFoTwABlDH91rQAAtz S+uO3/Um2hohITcHfoCA04c/enZcVTiGBvSdoQ6Ie/1KmE51cWscKXCQVaIYCZ8T7kVWNdgiK+W ffGR4ij+jOtg2brwHH1DXnE0hw4YvB6caaSk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHbtvAsmeEmTT5d6DNxkL8PL5o0GP36gs0QacznseE0OqgXF1mKraPW/Z+P/TI2ftv0EnrwVok5gWzD+aGexlQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:20e:b0:414:618b:ea95 with SMTP id 14-20020a05600c020e00b00414618bea95mr2482354wmi.12.1710863421999; Tue, 19 Mar 2024 08:50:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 11:50:09 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [NNagain] some chatter about the fcc news X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:50:24 -0000 from brett glass: https://www.broadband.io/c/get-broadband-grant-alerts-news/it-s-on-fcc-offi= cially-increases-its-broadband-speed-requirement-to-100-20-mbps#comment_wra= pper_32464006 This decision is the equivalent of saying, =E2=80=9CIf you don=E2=80=99t ha= ve a Cadillac, you don=E2=80=99t have a car.=E2=80=9D It also confuses =E2=80=9Cspeed=E2=80=9D (an ill-defined term) with capacit= y, latency, jitter, and other factors which do matter, and ridiculously overstates the amount of bandwidth needed for common Internet activities. Unless, of course, the service is very bad, in which case you can compensate somewhat - not completely - by throwing more bandwidth at the problem. In short, it=E2=80=99s a bad decision, made by politicians who have most likely been deceived by corporate lobbyists, rather than the sort of rational decision that would be made if the FCC were an apolitical expert agency. Or if the Commissioners had even consulted a knowledgeable practicing network engineer. (Are there any engineers left at the FCC? Or have most of them, like Julie Knapp, retired after being frustratingly ignored?) For my company, a WISP, it means deploying more expensive equipment than I need to, when folks don=E2=80=99t need the capacity. (Our quality is= so good that most of our customers peak at 5-10 Mbps of capacity - the data rate is still typically 200-500 Mbps - and don=E2=80=99t need to pay f= or more, though some do.) This depletes capital, needlessly increases the cost of broadband service and discourages uptake of service (we still see a lot of folks who rely entirely on cell phones and tethering). Yet another example of destructive overregulation and government bureaucracy. Government should stay out of the broadband business and quit meddling with it. It=E2=80=99s not competent and is doing a LOT more h= arm than good. --=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DN0Tmvv5jJKs Epik Mellon Podcast Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos