From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58A3A3B2A4 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2024 10:41:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-41294021cd8so3555835e9.2 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2024 07:41:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1708702878; x=1709307678; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=5hy9oO0X7J/uCvGoSPvPIy4xkr50pD/CCWRKSP4XP1w=; b=ZKJ0W7Wxf4cQOjiRrWNjy45kdF1DCqXmlytytMgiu5Z2mDmBogaCaKhfXV/DXG3Qvg lAFXmiDAHqE+9ZQ7fH90pZo47Q0WhVOOYBZmV9PWTl7i3mM8S3aNVPvmwXgtzC8ngxIV KBf5JI1V34aKkr/ogOZRNMm4X58AgJgw1FTA5G6G9K5/F8iAdpxON8U2hAPbEsZdS8Lh bOabXj5CwEZWu8aRU7WX7dNfQSMvTlmbXAwRNhNibRNL9JH5rqkyyzezvPfmPOyVaOSS UltpZpx42idVxzNN/BzYGJ4hXSk/7XCccao2wOkxdq3wCWItRKi7y9vrdgxWGkiRhD1n N2tA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708702878; x=1709307678; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=5hy9oO0X7J/uCvGoSPvPIy4xkr50pD/CCWRKSP4XP1w=; b=L/mBagp4I8CSAuihd9//Z/aSRcRRA+eLBDduOMOfFhSVGyRJGgsyKzSy0Dx21KJx4W 52I7rPzN1E0LjCgrsZpq+CvdVD5u7nD75WpS9Yr2V0vfSexZF0eIvQUwMVxn3e2Gc0Cm W/eyP4T7v7VGsSLPIQz25vdteR1FfLbJbIAYkwr8vqI+cSu+gFSCC7Wf2rxax9GnPgYI CcZb3c8eK9uAEVUlvP7viHGZUQUYfCDE0GfeNi2oz7m+Y2idG8HM+E9XCBVkfDKyeNs2 ZSKk6g2xYj+SzLG1zm63BHqpNfFq8Kmxxe1N2n7nmAyQ+BlcxRBL9nFTcUVzYss2mMbj wjUA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw8M7Nx5OYIDluDZaOJPlpVN6PlCbbyuHGXFMaiCiozgpG65k1x /5OW4pbaker4eSrAJvEIS1vjCX2rzHQsRFjrKNuc0mtwAu9UxlDrHRJGYgZRTPHLeCTLO74opk2 Xb3xFRUrQEpSomcJQVMEOQp+ythEQBijEBbI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFrnLyVLZ6FxKf47iSZj0j+k+n4ShH83sAkiF+Smu4Z4EUBB7Cy8UsxFd3Msf475YwLWU8djLv+aVpKo5GsXls= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:4293:b0:412:10a1:25e5 with SMTP id v19-20020a05600c429300b0041210a125e5mr112873wmc.36.1708702877627; Fri, 23 Feb 2024 07:41:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5FD342B1-F329-4DDF-A0DA-6ED02B17D164@pch.net> <4005F8F2-9D98-49AB-A993-02DD7ED7291A@pch.net> In-Reply-To: <4005F8F2-9D98-49AB-A993-02DD7ED7291A@pch.net> From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 10:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [NNagain] Cellular outage in US hits AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon users, Downdetector shows + Cyberattacks on hospitals are likely to increase, putting lives at risk, experts warn X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 15:41:19 -0000 A strong point for resilience can be made by noting that the wifi component of the network remained up. We have more than just phone numbers to communicate, being able to also layer voice over signal, videoconferencing, facetime and a zillion other tools that did not go down. The best and most snarky response I have seen yet to the debacle thus far was "Upgrade to room 641A went south". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 7:03=E2=80=AFPM Bill Woodcock via Nnagain wrote: > > > > > On Feb 23, 2024, at 00:42, Vint Cerf via Nnagain wrote: > > Could some non-ATT outages be people trying to reach ATT destinations? > > Yes, I think it=E2=80=99s very well established at this point that there = were no associated simultaneous outages in any other networks, and that all= of the =E2=80=9Cdowndetector=E2=80=9D things were just, as you say, people= elsewhere trying to reach AT&T customers. > > -Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain --=20 https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/2024_predictions/ Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos