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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: Internet-history <internet-history@elists.isoc.org>,
	"Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects
	heard this time!" <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>,
	NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>, bloat <bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: [NNagain] The rise and fall of the 90's telecom bubble
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 10:48:46 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw4yzi65iaxkNbJwquM1sWRr1K7mZCJsA=4-=vYNmHPcWQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)

Aside from me pinning the start of the bubble closer to 1992 when
commercial activity was allowed, and M&A for ISPs at insane valuations
per subscriber by 1995 (I had co-founded an ISP in 93, but try as I
might I cannot remember if it peaked at 50 or 60x1 by 1996 (?) and
crashed by 97 (?)), this was a whacking good read, seems accurate, and
moves to comparing it across that to the present day AI bubble.

https://www.fabricatedknowledge.com/p/lessons-from-history-the-rise-and

In the end we sold (my ISP, founded 93) icanect for 3 cents on the
dollar in 99, and I lost my shirt (not for the first time) on it, only
to move into embedded Linux (Montavista) after the enormous pop
redhat's IPO had had in 99. The company I was part of slightly prior
(Mediaplex) went public December 12, 1999 and cracked 100/share, only
to crash by march, 2000 to half the IPO price (around $7 as I recall),
wiping out everyone that had not vested yet. I lost my shirt again on
that and Montavista too and decided I would avoid VCs henceforth.

I am always interested in anecdotal reports of personal events in this
increasingly murky past, and in trying to fact check the above link.

So much fiber got laid by 2000 that it is often claimed that it was at
least a decade before it was used up, (the article says only 2.7% was
in use by 2002) and I have always wondered how much dark, broken,
inaccessible fiber remains that nobody knows where it even is anymore
due to many lost databases. I hear horror stories...

The article also focuses solely on the us sector, and I am wondering
what it looked like worldwide.

I believed in the 90s we were seeing major productivity gains. The
present expansion of the internet in my mind should not be much
associated with "productivity gains", as, imho, reducing the general
population to two thumbs and a 4 inch screen strikes me as an enormous
step backwards.

(I have a bad habit of cross posting my mails to where older denizens
of the internet reside, sorry! If you end up posting to one of my
lists I will add a sender allows filter for you)
-- 
:( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab
Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

             reply	other threads:[~2023-11-12 15:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-12 15:48 Dave Taht [this message]
2023-11-12 20:22 ` Nathan Simington
2023-11-13 11:28   ` Dave Taht
2023-11-13 13:54   ` Livingood, Jason
2023-11-13 14:15     ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-11-13 21:08       ` Dick Roy
2023-11-14 12:06         ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-11-14 12:41           ` Dave Taht
2023-11-16 11:01           ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-11-16 17:02             ` Dick Roy
2023-11-16 17:20               ` Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond
2023-11-16 17:40                 ` Dick Roy
2023-11-16 22:03                   ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-11-13  3:46 ` Joe Hamelin
2023-11-14 13:48 ` Mike Hammett
2023-11-13 19:27 odlyzko

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