From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pj1-x1032.google.com (mail-pj1-x1032.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1032]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F1153CB37; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:34:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pj1-x1032.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-285741e9a9aso4448891a91.3; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:34:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1701221655; x=1701826455; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=dmO0rS7IcxqSVj//QxSey0ebIBPlcM+WjCPkC0Iyd9o=; b=j6ivSoadSKq6AjgM6bFt6i86kRwR3nkS0Vy3HjNwvG+/JePSBzkXbF1HPPOWmmUf0O SnDJdDQenWyd+4xMc3jZZO5PiqMbiQ+55sefdzzP7tNdHMgFoajoFDFXrTlPiItIABXi ou05Quj1DbJ1QoIFI9W0MKpELqOeMEq5qkuC2y33/8m8r4QHT6XJe53CkPyWpp5pa8t/ TkHctv2UDSSWBJXFd7O/TUfOi5kt1p5DdhKRgJOEaQ6mr2UOpRsGkf3cwsIqO/2ctmPD URx10cYGbCCHD3g1NyREWtupd6eNPq6arJg0eBVbLi1QEJekI1xlKzaw0Kxg3eJeo8ny 7wXQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1701221655; x=1701826455; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=dmO0rS7IcxqSVj//QxSey0ebIBPlcM+WjCPkC0Iyd9o=; b=iaHeDutvZKcJxiFQcopLCbDyMowIsdngEGMp3VveLSwQSAw8moO/IN2W77YhXP397I XiGbZScqtSe59oZcC8ZEHl7x3aD9+ACjXzt0pAMHw4GPFRJ4tMPIc1zXaUe0xPefHe92 c3yXdAXpa+JuGK+ToMtOXwzB6se1ND73sGuxx4HTOFGgUwq4iznhUNG1sfGg8yk3cYki MtmgRn95vBBGjuTIlYyLZeJXz0Tow5X+tbIC/OThpVQZkc+j2l5Yrjrh+ZXPC5dnLztx x9n8B5ZX46aOfOzK3sU307QJtEh0u9WmN8ug566LD8ew5HPUHGmskDJodpbFGK3w7SwK WlKw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwhRM6Cakd8E/xl1MCEr95ZqF+KcjMLsYbJbVxKhe82g8Dxr/uS UKDqoO7pWgnqreMbjnFgLOmxoBa7RW0R6mP7eV59cZSF X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHVBNHYJLLuaqg/OX8hL2r36I9JzyfGZwnO+xrh9y8/FpwrCG2kqcDkSIdfxhkhqjGsccXNTCxtQmOKIGzc7IU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:1d83:b0:285:adca:e8e7 with SMTP id pf3-20020a17090b1d8300b00285adcae8e7mr11400876pjb.5.1701221654987; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:34:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2831efc96fa3c1cc11a5d3130bc45707@rjmcmahon.com> In-Reply-To: <2831efc96fa3c1cc11a5d3130bc45707@rjmcmahon.com> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:33:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: rjmcmahon Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= , bloat , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [NNagain] massively less drafty FCC NOI response on raising the broadband standard speeds X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 01:34:16 -0000 I would love an iperf2 example plot(s) (bad vs good) that a c-suiter could understand in appendix B. I am still smarting from how incorrectly this plot was interpreted. https://github.com/cilium/cilium/issues/29083#issuecomment-1824676409 On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 8:24=E2=80=AFPM rjmcmahon = wrote: > > I think I'm being schedule to present iperf 2 to the FCC TAC sometime in > January 2024. I'll know more soon. > > I plan to have a hands on session, going over > > o) WiFi/Broadband key latency technologies > o) Iperf 2 tooling and metrics, including bloat (in units of memory) > o) A WiFi diagnostics latency panel from a chip perspective > o) Suggested actions the FCC TAC can take to facilitate better in home > wireless networks to support low latency needs of all Americans > > The assumption is they realize that low latency is long overdue and that > solutions are in the realm of today's engineering and, of course, > nature's physics. > > Bob > > I would like to thank everyone that lept into making a contribution to > > this document today! It is in much better shape than it was yesterday. > > 2 days to go!!! > > > > Please comment on the document here: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYR= LMBY4vH4/edit > > > > If you like where the document is going, please put in your signature. > > I will submit a final draft for global review a few hours before the > > deadline. > > > > I would also like to humbly thank Steve Crocker for contributing $500 > > to the gofundme drive for this effort. Steve is the author of the very > > first RFC[1], which defined the processes by which the Arpanet and > > internet were defined and refined, to this day. He made many other > > fundamental contributions along the way. RFC1's history is well worth > > reviewing: > > > > https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2015/04/46-years-of-rfcs-celebrati= ng-the-anniversary-of-rfc-1/ > > > > I am hoping our efforts here, this week, lay a foundation for a much > > better internet moving forward! > > > > A huge thanks to all the other donors to date also! Aside from > > gratitude I do not know what to say. I sent "Tanya" my last "this > > machine kills vogons" sticker, but I have new one - since I have > > mellowed - that says "This Machine CURES Vogons" - would anyone want > > one of these?), bringing the sum to a magical $1111 as I write. This > > is more than enough for a press release! When we did the successful > > make-wifi-fast fcc fight, we also brought on board a media manager, > > did some outreach, and my uni (karstaad) threw in for a plane ticket > > to fly to Washington, and the total cost was about 12k all told. > > Presently I plan to focus on getting a good document in by the > > deadline, with as many signatures as possible, and do PR later. > > > > gofundme link: https://gofund.me/c1f3ad18 > > > > PS I would also like to thank "robert" for throwing in $250 (via other > > means), although I am not sure if he was throwing in to keep the flent > > fleet alive or this effort. > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 4:42=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht = wrote: > >> > >> This is so drafty that normally I would not be distributing it this > >> early, but family matters have intruded overmuch (in a good way, I > >> hope everyone had a great thanksgiving!!) and the Dec 1 deadline is > >> looming.. > >> > >> Co-authors (and commentors) desired! I primarily wanted to hit > >> latency, latency under load, bufferbloat, as usual, as well as MTBF > >> and MTTR as well as how complex networks are, . Just three pages, + > >> repeatable experiments in the appendix, so at least those are in the > >> public record. Cite the bitag latency report, and this cloudflare > >> piece, especially: > >> > >> https://blog.cloudflare.com/making-home-internet-faster/ > >> > >> Anyway the far too drafty draft is here: > >> > >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlY= RLMBY4vH4/edit?usp=3Dsharing > >> > >> In terms of things not flowing for me the concept of equating the need > >> for more bandwidth as a solution to everything... to the "chewbacca > >> defense" is entertaining but possibly not useful. People are already > >> telling me the conclusion is too strong, and it's 4:30 AM, and I am > >> going back to bed. > >> > >> Please comment there, and not here. Thanks for any spare brain cells > >> you might have! gnight. > >> > >> -- > >> :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab > >> Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos -- :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos