Re: [NNagain] nn back in the news

[Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>]

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and in other news today:
https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/15/google_monopoly_fix/

I kind of wish would-be regulators to try and block google IPs and see how
good their web experience is - everything from fonts to css leads back to
goog. I am reminded of the bell telephone breakup where folk still didn't
have touchtone...

On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 8:58 AM Sebastian Moeller <moeller0@gmx.de> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> On 15 August 2024 16:16:52 CEST, Dave Taht via Nnagain <
> nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
> >Perhaps it would have been better to say that "one of the sites I read
> >regularly just put out an update on it." :)
> >
> >I like to think that bufferbloat.net's NOI filing did a bit of good,
> >getting cited 16 times, but not changing the top level conclusions one
> >iota. Doing another one this year is on my mind in followup, but aside
> from
> >harping on our latency points,
>
> [SM] So I believe/think that we need (or rather I need to convince my
> National Regulatory Agency that mandating a OWD to a national reference
> point <150ms, so an RTT <= 300ms) some clear study showing the effect of
> loaded latency/jitter on some measurable variable of obvious relevance.
> That is, I think we should make a scientifically backed claim that shitty
> latency causes shitty productivity. We as a group IMHO intuitively seem to
> accept that as a given (based on some evidence), but to convince regulators
> we need better examples then e.g. L4S' on-line switching between different
> live camera feeds, or showing that page completion time scales linearly
> with latency...
> Stuart's, remote desktop example might serve as good starting point, if we
> can show that productivity suffers significantly as a function of latency
> and jitter. I mention abstract productivity simply because I believe making
> remote work more efficient would be a case in the public's interest and
> hence might catch the regulator's attention.
> So if anybody on this list has an idea for an experiment or better yet an
> already existing paper describing such an experiment, that would be great.
>
>
>
> pointing to progress, and the need for more
> >IXPs, I don't know what top level items could be addressed, again? I'd
> have
> >to buckle down and re-read what resonated, and what didn't.
> >
> >Perhaps something might come out of the DNC?
> >
> >I have been enjoying Carr's negative posts on BEAD, but there must be some
> >bright news in that program somewhere by now?
> >
> >I am perhaps reading too much into it, but with a potentially younger
> crowd
> >moving into office, perhaps more technical clue is arriving? I'm very
> happy
> >to see mudge make CIO at darpa. The white house got a cto yet? The FCC?
> >
> >PS  Ms Shotwell did a great fireside chat at Mountain Connect:
> >https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-community-events/shotwell
> >
> >
> >On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 6:27 AM Livingood, Jason <
> >jason_livingood@comcast.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would say it is not “back” in the news – it has continuously been in
> the
> >> news since the Loper Bright SCOTUS ruling that impacts “Chevron
> deference”
> >> as well the major questions doctrine issue raised in W VA vs EPA. As
> many
> >> people have long said, this will be tied up in the courts for several
> >> years.
> >>
> >> Personal take – in the long-term it will be better to have legislation
> >> that codifies this (as well as a national cross-sector privacy law).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> JL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From: *Nnagain <nnagain-bounces@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of
> Dave
> >> Taht via Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> >> *Reply-To: *Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects
> >> heard this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> >> *Date: *Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 07:41
> >> *To: *Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard
> >> this time! <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
> >> *Cc: *Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
> >> *Subject: *[NNagain] nn back in the news
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/isps-ask-supreme-court-to-kill-new-york-law-that-requires-15-broadband-plans/
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> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/isps-ask-supreme-court-to-kill-new-york-law-that-requires-15-broadband-plans/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!FPiUKVoVIIjDuEAjFeVX-ISnAeSb8gI7-H-8Pg5UvZVEuC6YaYS0X8k4cHM4F-i7JjIAMB_2uKpV5QLmf8MbXIx1fORtlGxN$
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> >> --
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> >> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos
> >>
> >
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