and in other news today: https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/15/google_monopoly_fix/ I kind of wish would-be regulators to try and block google IPs and see how good their web experience is - everything from fonts to css leads back to goog. I am reminded of the bell telephone breakup where folk still didn't have touchtone... On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 8:58 AM Sebastian Moeller wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On 15 August 2024 16:16:52 CEST, Dave Taht via Nnagain < > nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > >Perhaps it would have been better to say that "one of the sites I read > >regularly just put out an update on it." :) > > > >I like to think that bufferbloat.net's NOI filing did a bit of good, > >getting cited 16 times, but not changing the top level conclusions one > >iota. Doing another one this year is on my mind in followup, but aside > from > >harping on our latency points, > > [SM] So I believe/think that we need (or rather I need to convince my > National Regulatory Agency that mandating a OWD to a national reference > point <150ms, so an RTT <= 300ms) some clear study showing the effect of > loaded latency/jitter on some measurable variable of obvious relevance. > That is, I think we should make a scientifically backed claim that shitty > latency causes shitty productivity. We as a group IMHO intuitively seem to > accept that as a given (based on some evidence), but to convince regulators > we need better examples then e.g. L4S' on-line switching between different > live camera feeds, or showing that page completion time scales linearly > with latency... > Stuart's, remote desktop example might serve as good starting point, if we > can show that productivity suffers significantly as a function of latency > and jitter. I mention abstract productivity simply because I believe making > remote work more efficient would be a case in the public's interest and > hence might catch the regulator's attention. > So if anybody on this list has an idea for an experiment or better yet an > already existing paper describing such an experiment, that would be great. > > > > pointing to progress, and the need for more > >IXPs, I don't know what top level items could be addressed, again? I'd > have > >to buckle down and re-read what resonated, and what didn't. > > > >Perhaps something might come out of the DNC? > > > >I have been enjoying Carr's negative posts on BEAD, but there must be some > >bright news in that program somewhere by now? > > > >I am perhaps reading too much into it, but with a potentially younger > crowd > >moving into office, perhaps more technical clue is arriving? I'm very > happy > >to see mudge make CIO at darpa. The white house got a cto yet? The FCC? > > > >PS Ms Shotwell did a great fireside chat at Mountain Connect: > >https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-community-events/shotwell > > > > > >On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 6:27 AM Livingood, Jason < > >jason_livingood@comcast.com> wrote: > > > >> I would say it is not “back” in the news – it has continuously been in > the > >> news since the Loper Bright SCOTUS ruling that impacts “Chevron > deference” > >> as well the major questions doctrine issue raised in W VA vs EPA. As > many > >> people have long said, this will be tied up in the courts for several > >> years. > >> > >> Personal take – in the long-term it will be better to have legislation > >> that codifies this (as well as a national cross-sector privacy law). > >> > >> > >> > >> JL > >> > >> > >> > >> *From: *Nnagain on behalf of > Dave > >> Taht via Nnagain > >> *Reply-To: *Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects > >> heard this time! > >> *Date: *Thursday, August 15, 2024 at 07:41 > >> *To: *Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard > >> this time! > >> *Cc: *Dave Taht > >> *Subject: *[NNagain] nn back in the news > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/isps-ask-supreme-court-to-kill-new-york-law-that-requires-15-broadband-plans/ > >> < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/08/isps-ask-supreme-court-to-kill-new-york-law-that-requires-15-broadband-plans/__;!!CQl3mcHX2A!FPiUKVoVIIjDuEAjFeVX-ISnAeSb8gI7-H-8Pg5UvZVEuC6YaYS0X8k4cHM4F-i7JjIAMB_2uKpV5QLmf8MbXIx1fORtlGxN$ > > > >> > >> -- > >> > >> > >> > >> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos > >> > > > > > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > -- Artists/Musician Campout Aug 9-11 https://www.eventbrite.com/e/healing-arts-event-tickets-928910826287 Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos