Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects heard this time!
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From: Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>
To: "Network Neutrality is back! Let´s make the technical aspects
	heard this time!" <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net>
Subject: Re: [NNagain] Brendan Carr: "Six years ago, Americans lived through one of the greatest hoaxes in regulatory history...
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 12:21:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA93jw5PN-ANqJJSUt-m0AGpOZamXUd8M=Xq0RRdxvBoWQYZuQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf-zrgFOwzvo6zJ6eXB0iq6ho27xzMWFBgAakHssSjirZ8Fpg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 11:21 AM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via
Nnagain <nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote:
>
> ➔➔https://twitter.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1716558844384379163

Leaving aside the rhetoric, I believe the majority of these claims on
this part of his post:

https://twitter.com/BrendanCarrFCC/status/1716884139226329512

to be true. Any one question this?

I do wish that he showed upload speeds, and latency under load, and,
acknowledged some mistakes, at least, and did not claim perfect
success. Also individual states had stepped up to institute their own
rules, and I would love to see a comparison of those stats vs those
that didn´t.

The COVID thing I am most fiercely proud of, as an engineer, is we
took an internet only capable of postage stamp 5 frame per sec[1]
videoconferencing to something that the world, as a whole, relied on
to keep civilization running only 7 years later, in the face of
terrible odds, lights out environments, scarce equipment supplies, and
illness. ISPs big and small helped too - Their people climbed towers,
produced better code, rerouted networks, and stayed up late fighting
off DDOSes. People at home shared their wifi and knowledge of how to
make fiddly things on the net work well, over the internet  -

Nobody handed out medals for keeping the internet running, I do not
remember a single statement of praise for what we did over that
terrible time. No one ever looks up after a productive day after a
zillion productive clicks and says (for one example) "Thank you Paul
Vixie and Mokapetris for inventing DNS and Evan Hunt(bind)  and Simon
Kelly(dnsmasq) for shipping dns servers for free that only get it
wrong once in a while, and then recover so fast you don´t notice" -
there are just endless complaints from those for whom it is not
working *right now* the way they expect.

There are no nobel prizes for networking.  But the scientists,
engineers, sysadmins and SREs kept improving things, and are keeping
civilization running. It is kind of a cause for me - I get very irked
at both sides whining when if only they could walk a mile in a
neteng´s shoes. I get respect from my neighbors at least, sometimes
asked to fix a laptop or set up a router... and I still share my wifi.

If there was just some way to separate out the ire about other aspects
of how the internet is going south (which I certainly share), and
somehow put respect for those in the trenches that work on keeping the
Net running, back in the public conversation, I would really love to
hear it.

[1] Really great talk on networking by Van Jacobson in 2012, both
useful for its content, and the kind of quality we could only achieve
then: https://archive.org/details/video1_20191129

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-24 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-24 18:20 the keyboard of geoff goodfellow
2023-10-24 19:21 ` Dave Taht [this message]
2023-10-24 19:47   ` Sebastian Moeller
2023-10-25  1:48   ` Vint Cerf
2023-10-25 13:18   ` Livingood, Jason
2023-10-27 21:24     ` Frantisek Borsik
2023-10-25 13:26   ` [NNagain] RFC: Public Communications on Tech Infrastructure Nathan Simington
2023-10-25 18:54     ` David Bray, PhD
2023-10-25 20:44       ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-25 20:56         ` David Bray, PhD
2023-10-25 21:32           ` rjmcmahon
2023-10-27 15:32     ` Dave Taht
2023-10-28  8:58       ` Frantisek Borsik

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