From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pl1-x62a.google.com (mail-pl1-x62a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A419D3CB37; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 07:44:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pl1-x62a.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1cc3216b2a1so31649455ad.2; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 04:44:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1699879498; x=1700484298; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7C1tTMXscmzdDtEDPxJnSyjmij+oXvCnpqs7diweiPc=; b=eDFC7Wf04h1AM6rIquYW2N8HRQ4Mxe1flB2FDzQBXqIthlvGo8LWprZoeRQi3Ylg13 4bEHgXVB3k6fZ79477ZkznlQMqskUBwGFBmGfm+8Yd8jywZec2CFx41ZY+tZDbOoOSj0 JyOxZJwMX3Jc05MC3aC+lHuKID5CBjv08BlGTMligbExm1TU/f6vKF6jgasep7EkjaeJ YsazHuGha5rqAbdm7rWGAG5tF9a+jHDmgd0tl3gmlObt6q4JzlAofPz35ABSNZWnDULl jZ5tIYexmkrGiKZz9uRqwtGS3dOaiknleZu2GtAW4uA/qB9PISzI3aGZZHiHPzNzHYum CqmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699879498; x=1700484298; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=7C1tTMXscmzdDtEDPxJnSyjmij+oXvCnpqs7diweiPc=; b=rnv/Et2TWApDXAzF0MjGEd/0LCF5rA7UWJJpqNCuFTxno6oFN+Xpwnu8qwv+P1MRc7 xjCHvzcXfNnD3+sMwvyjLtuF913TCfHnqT/714lsk9/7aDknskxHRhmrisKxb9GpdSHM RVvw3BaQcoG+ZODOgJ/+9sfVmgTBjWvvFjs8ip/DCNuFslsbuJsCjDbDGx7Ni8lvHshR Al8rPtolYyOY5Htf+9oeMxQShiXY+xkbQMZZh+WUGFGJNrQjMDREDQYMQveWm8xtB06g pcpMIbUJbkTsKb0H4VbVDbYwHhth+FoGiX+b8TvON23QJgTwhIsprdHlJlP5IkmkP7Da /Heg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwigPH7PtnNrMxMJMBRkkn/2EHHYySZqck0eH9ww1KbJFqc4J0i Gwc28ynUg5GXlCEE39jc2s9KYt9Ut8m4T1G4P/crbeB5MmA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEobm2Z5GqGJs066VFfse02Tnt05fok6/PMthYos52vyF2vRS4JeIMcydEVRsnxzYTklM0oPxcPdM7hZcHSRhg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:4c0f:b0:27d:dc9:c67d with SMTP id na15-20020a17090b4c0f00b0027d0dc9c67dmr3715247pjb.36.1699879498067; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 04:44:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 07:44:44 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [NNagain] the real state of "smart agriculture"? X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 12:44:59 -0000 (I am hoping others on this list with real-world AG experience can chime in? I enjoy realworld stories about present solutions and pain points[2]) I have often been dubious of the 5g hope to dominate any major component of a smart ag architecture except perhaps FWA, (where starlink is poised and people also want to run fiber) to give it a good run for the money- 5g chips are too big, too hard to power, and too complex, and come with a monthly billing model and other centralized requirements that make organic evolution and solid support in remote environments dicy and expensive. I freely concede that I may be wrong, that with sufficient subsidies, we will end up hanging the equivalent of a cellphone off of every suitably large piece of gear and ship all the data up to the cloud, rather than pre-process locally. Certainly the benefits of gps and drones are being shown every day, along with satellite weather and other forms of satellite analysis. [1] But the 5g sensor market? No. Nowadays smart sensors are easily constructed out of wifi devices such as these which cost 5 dollars or less: https://www.amazon.com/DORHEA-Development-Microcontroller-NodeMCU-32S-ESP-W= ROOM-32/dp/B086MJGFVV/ref=3Dasc_df_B086MJGFVV/ And the more meshy LoRA stuff now has much better range (4 miles), at low complexity and power also. then there are things like amazon sidewalk: https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Sidewalk/b?ie=3DUTF8&node=3D21328123011 And airtags. [1] On the other hand rigorous analysis of the food we produce has recently discovered a marked decline in the percentage of nutritious minerals over the past 100 years. Please see: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09637486.2021.1981831 How smart is that? [2] Massive subsidy and diversion of river resources to the water hungry california almond industry during the last 7 years of drought led to the cancellation of the salmon fishing season last year. You should hear some of the invective that I used to hear aimed at "the f-ing vegetarians" along the docks I frequent in half moon bay. That I used to hear, anyway, The docks are eerily silent, the workers at other jobs, the boats not going out for anything except crab and squid. How smart is that? The California water table is a disaster, too. I vastly prefer salmon to almonds personally.... I guess a meta point is easily gathering tactical data is one thing, sharing it sanely another, deciding on how to use it strategically, another. --=20 :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos