From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pf1-x435.google.com (mail-pf1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::435]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76EDF3B29D for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2023 04:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pf1-x435.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-6cbb71c3020so3388177b3a.1 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2023 01:43:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1701078190; x=1701682990; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=mpcWA7yg3s56phSm3HWVYm/184G7quHC3z5gF8Mwe6E=; b=Q/fZU0UuPZX1qym7ANn2F11GNKsNVhir8v0ORxre+3W9UgU3TT3w3LEbgrK5l6+HM5 wXS+3K6ZqJ75DOLYQUQct7Re6OkA1VKBELXDOx3WVFipb3DNGcMPZYahJaoKmIAbTgfd /oOb7eG8f7PoqL8pYjEmh1ZwgO/dR2vm4tALiJPrsHEDIWoaaQw44eR0UjEk62szzdVW Uypb6ppsac9GKBY+jd8DKMFXD7SjI35VZaYLVK/8zI/SMROmuUaj7E9cxPw6PT1DXBOD egCXLIIEA6azczAuNRubATY1MqJRDDlCZhI8v3FWsumAPZbea+MHeTA7Fsu/qb8qpGSO 0frw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1701078190; x=1701682990; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=mpcWA7yg3s56phSm3HWVYm/184G7quHC3z5gF8Mwe6E=; b=l3CfzrnA2w8ptxhvXHzQhno7MlXLijLdo7J4DTEhhzjLLQILP2L2boYgjQuPy4iptW /duq0BQRso1MOPm6UVSox44Xb6JZAgq/t0hH4bPD4nYMD1DFoEAYtetXuPDIBe0psgxV gQ+Wlhr7oEJbtYZ/eGr/AFNR75ys8o0uqNvuRa/6hgcBao1yc5Z0pF54sWlZzXR3ccrK On+SWzlilre5ctImrvrTyhmfLO6wrFiHXtTBfT7nZVRRUL2o4tGQv4WfriV/hALYQDz+ +qeTtxPmqt+FPi9LRvBq8Z95uuJaAe0imvbnAFBmRWOsRocEfRj/gvzduxBscnHVB14Y 8+QQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwJzFS9TiUs5PDF7YRgR7eTWEMtjtVTS/Lr1zx6UDALYyKn2P0V SyyR3V7G2NtSGz+BUNsOBjikElZ8wHZBnGT2Xk6dqAEfs/I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGRm9IlfQGx9vu4564XZk7XL8INOLzO45htBbmG9EUZMOCXF3NwmJaae4YQrLVTIzWbUja5V3n5fQ+SjCmnuLs= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:164d:b0:285:9a7f:30e2 with SMTP id il13-20020a17090b164d00b002859a7f30e2mr11548354pjb.5.1701078189892; Mon, 27 Nov 2023 01:43:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Taht Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 04:42:57 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [NNagain] drafty FCC NOI response on raising the broadband standard speeds X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 09:43:11 -0000 This is so drafty that normally I would not be distributing it this early, but family matters have intruded overmuch (in a good way, I hope everyone had a great thanksgiving!!) and the Dec 1 deadline is looming.. Co-authors (and commentors) desired! I primarily wanted to hit latency, latency under load, bufferbloat, as usual, as well as MTBF and MTTR as well as how complex networks are, . Just three pages, + repeatable experiments in the appendix, so at least those are in the public record. Cite the bitag latency report, and this cloudflare piece, especially: https://blog.cloudflare.com/making-home-internet-faster/ Anyway the far too drafty draft is here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY= 4vH4/edit?usp=3Dsharing In terms of things not flowing for me the concept of equating the need for more bandwidth as a solution to everything... to the "chewbacca defense" is entertaining but possibly not useful. People are already telling me the conclusion is too strong, and it's 4:30 AM, and I am going back to bed. Please comment there, and not here. Thanks for any spare brain cells you might have! gnight. --=20 :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos