From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x52d.google.com (mail-pg1-x52d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19E593B29D; Wed, 4 Oct 2023 15:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x52d.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-5859e22c7daso100994a12.1; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 12:28:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1696447709; x=1697052509; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=odoUff09/GD536s4enqYhLEnyYEAjsGBjLO8QaKGA4w=; b=VLuYyPy7tq4dsFhHGSAFHOrEtxcBg2GjGrpI8kHG+XsQlHiKPU3sbOwgHVh9oAJBDm GDAjFBRmwVgTzJnEuBuQECdOa6cQf8GL5NnSmhVEfwz/QMtr55CM2OBH3zKGOY+vSfoh o6Vk5riPKhr2VxfyR/JwMTvjrK6r3vY39RscJ6DBh75GAXiY33Y+6PiT0UMt6J6kLaiT Qcgpkbn/xxEt6kIPi+S40Eby1z2DY6nLQznd6q9GvNylfIzMvKb/J706kLyy4JHJ98LI Xrp8xqp61EVhQrZ3wWbXBxP6UxF8BuQ4I4EFbCaI++E7QLbo1hnrrG4CPFblWF3xVPdQ xtmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1696447709; x=1697052509; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=odoUff09/GD536s4enqYhLEnyYEAjsGBjLO8QaKGA4w=; b=QI2NF3ZBHA+XZ5akSUZWMQhyIH/47I4g1LFLnuU1nYnj0zxSh6SaHhibL++NlxqQef /xCfcwRiXdc06qS/Eu9NhIpZ0ijdDjbSMBLwQyDW/+DiyybrQjZs44Rh43Ipqeo7Wf4C NWnsALq9uvNgVhVkP04gy5BoULgQLHT0nFX5e+qwCGmQw9ptaEn/6hKu5y8ST3UgadE1 EibSDfi5uHyTib7SE470AesF8Fe3GsTGn19SQ+eUOPFXjLvmalOLaJVJI3KBGyj3Aeu7 5uJhHQgnByIKjmcOYIM861YdSmcq8RfbNAfo54F1cfi7q7OsD2V9C/6MCQoXcT0QB0Vn Ey0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yww7su5eOubmX6zyXLKMntfM95ge2ciqt9YWIJfTrZM3fk+MH9P Fn7a1jcvukRDBlSO3Gdzjxj3Z9yOirN/1U27LsYq0LUI X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGqmDFAtAAbrN+Dp8SyY71DS78fMYOXwNOOkzGhI0kEwKiIS8MmOlWyljXTZOyOrPCqsBZNssv47h7/4c3C1EQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:f414:b0:274:a5a6:120b with SMTP id ch20-20020a17090af41400b00274a5a6120bmr3034310pjb.36.1696447708997; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 12:28:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20231003205640.3.f99276b66eff3df4@mg-d1.substack.com> In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 12:28:16 -0700 Message-ID: To: David Lang Cc: Dave Taht via Nnagain , bloat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [NNagain] A good question - do you know how a toilet works? X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2023 19:28:30 -0000 Sometimes I liken this debate about the internet, to 1906-era partisans arguing about the right cures for syphilis. One side, intoning with great authority: "Tinctures of mercury, yes a good dose of mercury, is just what you need... " and the other side, insisting that "Leeches, leeches will help... all you need is a good blood-letting... and everything will be fine..." While those few that had embraced germ theory and were pointing at little squiggly things in microscopes as the root causes of so much disease, were laughed at and ignored.