From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pl1-x62d.google.com (mail-pl1-x62d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFDE3B29D for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pl1-x62d.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1cc3216b2a1so45797685ad.2 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 09:44:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1699983842; x=1700588642; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=tTd0n36KQ0rs5I/Jpb96+zJMiHniJ63dCkNshMy2uAc=; b=ThnOK+yZxR14cNyCZSKobedgGR7Qk1d3PUPElIYrl3wq9VWpOqyieVZzVy3JV9N/oD USNPNHOz+uhg+U84SunYCADRvIe8SpzOSlJhjpuIhGDKLxIfBtEv8U6WIQgXOSNLcawW 48b57xVlk7PJi9Mqc5yYCx6x0DQ3TCCMSg41W8Zpqc246CMJAzTSc9ZH1cAy09mwjYm0 prtvz9hT57ddzuAPMaMkiPMeG2cExqA0V8Y5nF/LWDBrM9+liHBFOkGJ80pgxAAvSz1y RM8777rWmcCTOJ9kOZTatM668/jIA7ob7DdrGpn3oz4wucPw4cQgXl6V8UUARPlN3eFH gqqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699983842; x=1700588642; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=tTd0n36KQ0rs5I/Jpb96+zJMiHniJ63dCkNshMy2uAc=; b=nrFnFk5+Tr3L1n/S3W/P3EJ7JN37RgOhZe7UIaCDNZ2FL/heOJgjjh5sDL7M1HsufK uQx/mZsUw7D9jiwXqDP0tXEGkOUPrZysu9Kkyf5tYF3eYtKWtrpmTFfBwhOXj30JztR8 ZmmK/1MSbopKBT5SNLwXbW/qT/AU4xeCV+4dHDLFSoUMRmnnpprtpGX/lAwm4LKYXDdz XK5DkLTfU4RBdPswxXzsdJ5iY1dNJu4XkNOhy4K5M7fVJE50xUUhQrORYl8+/c+nngHd bSbZh8KD6bKImGsPreRXbk2Qv51Y3x2YSaudpbDyV8x3JxmrLAvh+2uG8/3R4O/p0RvB bI3g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwMMsdZ+lRZzJatdMQ11TR4au4VkoY1PClECsL96c84a+NhyY3D FAWUMhNZFgQo52qiiU8TeChM8lXjuJpFdAR+ZDuNeDDIaqE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGAkoCDXL8paGee3nI90Nu2Q6TpGQQyf2arSb5xv5bh/NegnQTaiv54Urh3Pzv9odjuLFekuUqsvYY8XgjTHxk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:9b02:b0:280:fc91:ad5d with SMTP id f2-20020a17090a9b0200b00280fc91ad5dmr8198877pjp.19.1699983841719; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 09:44:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 12:43:48 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2023 17:44:03 -0000 On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 12:25=E2=80=AFPM Vint Cerf via Nnagain wrote: > > if they had not been all together they would have been consuming tons of = video capacity doing video conference calls.... There were plenty of remote attendees. One feed per room =3D ? Videoconferencing capacity use is another statistic that is not really widely available. I do not know of any "modern" videoconferencing service that makes available bandwidth, loss, frame rate, frame size, "quality" statistics for any given session.Do they? Does IETF meetecho? Is there a federal reporting requirement? I primarily use galene.org: that does all that for me (since I have source code and have had my fingers in videoconferencing apps for many years, and every time I get a few minutes try to improve "gcc" further. A decent frame rate is usually around 500k/sec on the up, 750k peak, and describing what happens on the down and how it scales by user beyond the scope of what I want to write today.. facetime is the videoconferencing "pig" at up to 4mb/sec. ? > > :-)) > v > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 10:46=E2=80=AFAM Livingood, Jason via Nnagain wrote: >> >> On the subject of how much bandwidth does one household need, here's a f= un stat for you. >> >> >> >> At the IETF=E2=80=99s 118th meeting last week (Nov 4 =E2=80=93 10, 2023)= , there were over 1,000 engineers in attendance. At peak there were 870 dev= ices connected to the WiFi network. Peak bandwidth usage: >> >> Downstream peak ~750 Mbps >> Upstream ~250 Mbps >> >> >> >> From my pre-meeting Twitter poll (https://twitter.com/jlivingood/status/= 1720060429311901873): >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nnagain mailing list >> Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net >> https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain > > > > -- > Please send any postal/overnight deliveries to: > Vint Cerf > Google, LLC > 1900 Reston Metro Plaza, 16th Floor > Reston, VA 20190 > +1 (571) 213 1346 > > > until further notice > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nnagain mailing list > Nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/nnagain --=20 :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos