From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-wm1-x330.google.com (mail-wm1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3942A3CB38; Fri, 8 Mar 2024 15:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-wm1-x330.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-41317cc388dso8302855e9.2; Fri, 08 Mar 2024 12:31:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1709929878; x=1710534678; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=gGzszrgLBIuzdlpAOQjZOct8j7HoWMAFfJCdTNObb3g=; b=KxGDSekkc3jJXRnvs2rb8lmKLknsplqyVF1BjBQzY30uzoRBiSEDPCNyDo20vZ/6ji NmPaWEUlWVrRMu5cn4I1gBRxnK8bI2ne1OjxS97byV2iGhg9fiLnGuMN8xo3itJQStzZ RMSjZFJ+L0YKBLGh409jVzyhR1DyPd7z3WvY8VAxopB3VoxYEZGmPMEo0IRoXgcYsQDr BB9elOyOFHX1iAlPbuQ+F+AvdebdMmZd/8pHaOJVYHs9T2dm8C9JaWznzTGuaKKU/seo yXsTOw4b3p1xkk3rAr/kDJgstF5uXwJZ8ngPW9EXgyceLW3yC/qn0JGlUCBceYE5OF8x eF3w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1709929878; x=1710534678; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=gGzszrgLBIuzdlpAOQjZOct8j7HoWMAFfJCdTNObb3g=; b=YQTkcbq3URSRGRmn8VtNV4HQkzE0b8Mzmm9uCRl6T5OvJBKzxB5PcALsmLyCYrUdtR 1MDZIk0lJwHtoy7FT0LKLyVQi8jUpfIYIkhYD39zQdbHzuV7zPNdlDTqMRV6DVBIDywa vhjw7Xh6vbMIN4P/S+4Bb0xJGGnUl00i4+rmX5/RKwq2YGylece0T2usYwZDLvqZhzzr zHbyTGg41A6hw5Bdhrl0F0HbWTv6QB8/9GsgU9d7ndgcMXwA6iN0ciTLeE0FnNCIYe7F b7a6Rltu9hSdErsljcG5fqECAx3Xvv6YQBUlXadl2Lai+7g4SMtzWfIiU4/X/rmqT8xD tkEg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUHrMZfWNAJiNC2G1EVhCTB/N6agvJAbfmINPutQlUGaG1Q8HBek+ucEzlw6Y+dEf6aVYW7rmFRlXEVuLwUg0NR82X1Y3c5103N2aCRJ+RpgADzNgPQaGYihS5+4iDWCMn5AK6pVE61aNCtBrS9 X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yxdq0Wkz3X/BYmEEThcIooHMy3ptUvXLZvDNUSoeavWE0O+vppI mCGqq0/1sjm/kOLi9F1c5RRLueknc96+ztTtr/gdqLCrN9Q9A3NWI5Jf8XectoHI1FqDxtAT+6L PuESJ5RBr2YwcT/Up2rnc1jSaLCw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGb5ltfmz+L7YynUzaSKzfk/ri8KNxvyoVr3Qf3bh7kSWEmWauUNiIu92jnnGtesWjG9sxuJsJ7OTjbZ4EX9l4= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:4643:b0:412:fb1a:a94c with SMTP id n3-20020a05600c464300b00412fb1aa94cmr269146wmo.41.1709929877942; Fri, 08 Mar 2024 12:31:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2024 15:31:06 -0500 Message-ID: To: the keyboard of geoff goodfellow Cc: J Pan , Starlink , =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspect?= =?UTF-8?Q?s_heard_this_time=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [NNagain] =?utf-8?q?=5BStarlink=5D_SpaceX=3A_=22IMPROVING_STARLIN?= =?utf-8?b?S+KAmVMgTEFURU5DWSIgKHZpYSBOYXRoYW4gT3dlbnMp?= X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2024 20:31:19 -0000 I am deeply appreciative of everyones efforts here over the past 3 years, and within starlink burning the midnight oil on their 20ms goal, (especially nathan!!!!) to make all the progress made on their systems in these past few months. I was so happy to burn about 12 minutes, publicly, taking apart Oleg's results here, last week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DN0Tmvv5jJKs&t=3D1760s But couldn't then and still can't talk better to the whys and the problems remaining. (It's not a kernel problem, actually) As for starlink/space support of us, bufferbloat.net, and/or lowering latency across the internet in general, I don't know. I keep hoping a used tesla motor for my boat will arrive in the mail one day, that's all. :) It is my larger hope that with this news, all the others doing FWA, and for that matter, cable, and fiber, will also get on the stick, finally. Maybe someone in the press will explain bufferbloat. Who knows what the coming days hold!? 13 herbs and spices.... On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 3:10=E2=80=AFPM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow via Starlink wrote: > > it would be a super good and appreciative gesture if they would disclose = what/if any of the stuff they are making use of and then also to make a don= ation :) > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 12:50=E2=80=AFPM J Pan wrote: >> >> they benefited a lot from this mailing list and the research and even >> user community at large >> -- >> J Pan, UVic CSc, ECS566, 250-472-5796 (NO VM), Pan@UVic.CA, Web.UVic.CA/= ~pan >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 11:40=E2=80=AFAM the keyboard of geoff goodfellow= via >> Starlink wrote: >> > >> > Super excited to be able to share some of what we have been working on= over the last few months! >> > EXCERPT: >> > >> > Starlink engineering teams have been focused on improving the performa= nce of our network with the goal of delivering a service with stable 20 mil= lisecond (ms) median latency and minimal packet loss. >> > >> > Over the past month, we have meaningfully reduced median and worst-cas= e latency for users around the world. In the United States alone, we reduce= d median latency by more than 30%, from 48.5ms to 33ms during hours of peak= usage. Worst-case peak hour latency (p99) has dropped by over 60%, from ov= er 150ms to less than 65ms. Outside of the United States, we have also redu= ced median latency by up to 25% and worst-case latencies by up to 35%... >> > >> > [...] >> > https://api.starlink.com/public-files/StarlinkLatency.pdf >> > via >> > https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1766179308887028005 >> > & >> > https://twitter.com/VirtuallyNathan/status/1766179789927522460 >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Geoff.Goodfellow@iconia.com >> > living as The Truth is True >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Starlink mailing list >> > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net >> > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink >> > > > -- > Geoff.Goodfellow@iconia.com > living as The Truth is True > > _______________________________________________ > Starlink mailing list > Starlink@lists.bufferbloat.net > https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/starlink --=20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DN0Tmvv5jJKs Epik Mellon Podcast Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos