From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-pg1-x52e.google.com (mail-pg1-x52e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lists.bufferbloat.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A02CF3CB37; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-pg1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-5bdb0be3591so4742213a12.2; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:32:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1701214351; x=1701819151; darn=lists.bufferbloat.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=zNYnDuPPbhgGOnGnlrwfWWNrn8wzCoIqa0gbxtdn1SU=; b=bWyZeypDRcT2Q3SBOVYFCnqfVv1kgwhVucB/9iisgw00kxzxHaY2aELAxO8fGOvGEK eSXtrtrJO0dChsZKKq5uHgZ2A+BJNDvYqx3QO9S29XeJDmqkHc5QHgjF/cX3+oZh5gcu CXB+UTkahF6PO5feCyPcTXP8U9Rl7KDjhiJt6A+tbBz1rIJpVkQ6/Gb+ch0NKW2dnvBG 9sHoChHtPXRJE335TND/QnU2IlOOrUPQ/H0ukYtiaRT5WXOGK0tCcdiX6U2qoYaZSTwB Hag1MZk12OCZCtZyTbR1I9oYLTWWiru673QIBhNHtb9Hz2GmohW587Sz73f+NpU8rICI UmaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1701214351; x=1701819151; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zNYnDuPPbhgGOnGnlrwfWWNrn8wzCoIqa0gbxtdn1SU=; b=QeJx2JwBifvYK6bQSw9RPBlLme9amgeMlZTOtvTIRFtRS/FLfEPKuCLjTK5LadPRET OLpgPyuJfnKm/3HBxFDrpX4BjvIj2vl4L13pAVTMUq/zSW7/dH0LPI9FXPp+1AENB1l6 xCdnSDgcwXk4ss5HOaqB8OBq8J+y9gY/G7DET79MvfTN+SwPfUmBNmKD3/sOfutssemb ilTPKSscb0cvdW46vz168XCpZ1FvFGEOLau0cBhb7o1yk5e6GiNVsxIrWjN4hP+W/D74 4phalQl2hfOK6zbSescqrLNRCr9L+DwnYCIEqLmqFrUxIL4plyj1kM/+JnB/Dfbv8oXL bzLQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz70RWGWozFPE4mqKb5fvQ5N0XBXtfPUK2vuMt1bjO99tUp6unT kaZQ8/juJHSaIvdAokXbK63ZZsxcgZWwKNejOriardjHjgQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEjbnqHX+gB+xNr1LFGdjs1PhsFWYfQn849kTNrlzs9UnLtv36OBPkitqxnJid+3Ihn9kuf1jdnuasDo9S6Dv4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:1b11:b0:285:9f90:8f30 with SMTP id nu17-20020a17090b1b1100b002859f908f30mr13680348pjb.48.1701214351077; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:32:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 18:32:15 -0500 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Network_Neutrality_is_back=21_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_asp?= =?UTF-8?Q?ects_heard_this_time=21?= , bloat , Dave Taht via Starlink Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [NNagain] massively less drafty FCC NOI response on raising the broadband standard speeds X-BeenThere: nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: =?utf-8?q?Network_Neutrality_is_back!_Let=C2=B4s_make_the_technical_aspects_heard_this_time!?= List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:32:32 -0000 I would like to thank everyone that lept into making a contribution to this document today! It is in much better shape than it was yesterday. 2 days to go!!! Please comment on the document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLMBY= 4vH4/edit If you like where the document is going, please put in your signature. I will submit a final draft for global review a few hours before the deadline. I would also like to humbly thank Steve Crocker for contributing $500 to the gofundme drive for this effort. Steve is the author of the very first RFC[1], which defined the processes by which the Arpanet and internet were defined and refined, to this day. He made many other fundamental contributions along the way. RFC1's history is well worth reviewing: https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2015/04/46-years-of-rfcs-celebrating-t= he-anniversary-of-rfc-1/ I am hoping our efforts here, this week, lay a foundation for a much better internet moving forward! A huge thanks to all the other donors to date also! Aside from gratitude I do not know what to say. I sent "Tanya" my last "this machine kills vogons" sticker, but I have new one - since I have mellowed - that says "This Machine CURES Vogons" - would anyone want one of these?), bringing the sum to a magical $1111 as I write. This is more than enough for a press release! When we did the successful make-wifi-fast fcc fight, we also brought on board a media manager, did some outreach, and my uni (karstaad) threw in for a plane ticket to fly to Washington, and the total cost was about 12k all told. Presently I plan to focus on getting a good document in by the deadline, with as many signatures as possible, and do PR later. gofundme link: https://gofund.me/c1f3ad18 PS I would also like to thank "robert" for throwing in $250 (via other means), although I am not sure if he was throwing in to keep the flent fleet alive or this effort. On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 4:42=E2=80=AFAM Dave Taht wro= te: > > This is so drafty that normally I would not be distributing it this > early, but family matters have intruded overmuch (in a good way, I > hope everyone had a great thanksgiving!!) and the Dec 1 deadline is > looming.. > > Co-authors (and commentors) desired! I primarily wanted to hit > latency, latency under load, bufferbloat, as usual, as well as MTBF > and MTTR as well as how complex networks are, . Just three pages, + > repeatable experiments in the appendix, so at least those are in the > public record. Cite the bitag latency report, and this cloudflare > piece, especially: > > https://blog.cloudflare.com/making-home-internet-faster/ > > Anyway the far too drafty draft is here: > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/19ADByjakzQXCj9Re_pUvrb5Qe5OK-QmhlYRLM= BY4vH4/edit?usp=3Dsharing > > In terms of things not flowing for me the concept of equating the need > for more bandwidth as a solution to everything... to the "chewbacca > defense" is entertaining but possibly not useful. People are already > telling me the conclusion is too strong, and it's 4:30 AM, and I am > going back to bed. > > Please comment there, and not here. Thanks for any spare brain cells > you might have! gnight. > > -- > :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab > Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos --=20 :( My old R&D campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave T=C3=A4ht CSO, LibreQos