[NNagain] broadband measurement summit in DC March 7th

[NNagain] broadband measurement summit in DC March 7th

[Dave Taht]

Anyone going to this?

https://broadbandbreakfast.com/broadband-measurement-summit/


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Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

Re: [NNagain] broadband measurement summit in DC March 7th

[Sascha Meinrath]

Hi all,

I'll be there!

--Sascha

On 3/1/24 07:29, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote:
> Anyone going to this?
> 
> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/broadband-measurement-summit/
> 
> 

Re: [NNagain] broadband measurement summit in DC March 7th

[Dave Taht]

On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 8:32 AM Sascha Meinrath <sascha@thexlab.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'll be there!

Did you ever get your wndr3800s to work? I could send you a box of a
few 25 dollar fq_codeled gl.inet boxes to anyone that needs ´em,
particularly those still stuck with DSL. I have also been encouraging
folk to run the waveform or speedtest.net tests on the conference
wifi....
>
> --Sascha
>
> On 3/1/24 07:29, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote:
> > Anyone going to this?
> >
> > https://broadbandbreakfast.com/broadband-measurement-summit/
> >
> >



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https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/2024_predictions/
Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

Re: [NNagain] broadband measurement summit in DC March 7th

[Sascha Meinrath]

Hi Dave,

Never got it unbricked, alas, but we did finish up the RadarToolkit.com 
firmware, and are currently winding our way through getting permissions to open 
source that software stack (the federal agency has given the o.k., and now we 
just need the lead NGO to get sign-off from its board). Radar is a fairly 
extensible Pi-based (and mobile-app-based) measurement tool that enables 
longitudinal data collection to document network reliability. We've already 
deployed hundreds of these devices across 4 states, and have documented 
real-time "rolling blackouts" on specific ISPs up in Alaska. Radar is also 
fairly seamless in terms of collecting info needed to make BEAD challenges 
(which is this month's hot issue) -- though I'm far more interested in 
collecting baseline intel prior to BEAD interventions (so that we can document 
meaningful impact).

I remain quite perplexed on how NTIA plans to actually document the efficacy of 
their public investments. One of the biggest (rightful) critiques of the BTOP 
program was that there was no empirically-based assessment of what worked, and 
what didn't. 12 years later and NTIA appears hell-bent on making exactly the 
same mistake.

Meanwhile, I'll be very keen to see how the Broadband Nutrition Label rollout 
goes -- starting next month, we *should* be able to do the first-ever, 
systematic comparative pricing analyses on a national scale (at least among the 
large-scale providers).

--Sascha

On 3/1/24 08:34, Dave Taht wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 8:32 AM Sascha Meinrath <sascha@thexlab.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'll be there!
> 
> Did you ever get your wndr3800s to work? I could send you a box of a
> few 25 dollar fq_codeled gl.inet boxes to anyone that needs ´em,
> particularly those still stuck with DSL. I have also been encouraging
> folk to run the waveform or speedtest.net tests on the conference
> wifi....
>>
>> --Sascha
>>
>> On 3/1/24 07:29, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote:
>>> Anyone going to this?
>>>
>>> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/broadband-measurement-summit/
>>>
>>>
> 
> 
> 

Re: [NNagain] broadband measurement summit in DC March 7th

[Dave Taht]

On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 8:50 AM Sascha Meinrath <sascha@thexlab.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Never got it unbricked,

Worst fat fingering bug of my life. I so wish you had had that box as
a reference while you developed other measurement tools.

> alas, but we did finish up the RadarToolkit.com
> firmware, and are currently winding our way through getting permissions to open
> source that software stack (the federal agency has given the o.k., and now we
> just need the lead NGO to get sign-off from its board).

I have grave difficulty trusting any measurement software that is not
open sourced. I look over your website and it makes me really twitchy
- I point people at validated tools like irtt and flent and there is
no, there, there, over there...

Please tell me you are measuring latency properly? I just took apart
some data from someone else that foolishly let me see the code and ...
pesky NDAs... they are a license to lie... I am never signing another
NDA again so long as I can help it.

Over here is a classic example of why measuring "average latency" is a
function of the measurement interval.

http://www.taht.net/~d/Misunderstanding_Residential_Bandwidth_Latency.pdf


Radar is a fairly
> extensible Pi-based (and mobile-app-based) measurement tool that enables
> longitudinal data collection to document network reliability.

The site is devoid of useful scientific data.

 We've already
> deployed hundreds of these devices across 4 states, and have documented
> real-time "rolling blackouts" on specific ISPs up in Alaska. Radar is also
> fairly seamless in terms of collecting info needed to make BEAD challenges
> (which is this month's hot issue) -- though I'm far more interested in
> collecting baseline intel prior to BEAD interventions (so that we can document
> meaningful impact).
>
> I remain quite perplexed on how NTIA plans to actually document the efficacy of
> their public investments. One of the biggest (rightful) critiques of the BTOP
> program was that there was no empirically-based assessment of what worked, and
> what didn't. 12 years later and NTIA appears hell-bent on making exactly the
> same mistake.
>
> Meanwhile, I'll be very keen to see how the Broadband Nutrition Label rollout
> goes -- starting next month, we *should* be able to do the first-ever,
> systematic comparative pricing analyses on a national scale (at least among the
> large-scale providers).
>
> --Sascha
>
> On 3/1/24 08:34, Dave Taht wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 8:32 AM Sascha Meinrath <sascha@thexlab.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'll be there!
> >
> > Did you ever get your wndr3800s to work? I could send you a box of a
> > few 25 dollar fq_codeled gl.inet boxes to anyone that needs ´em,
> > particularly those still stuck with DSL. I have also been encouraging
> > folk to run the waveform or speedtest.net tests on the conference
> > wifi....
> >>
> >> --Sascha
> >>
> >> On 3/1/24 07:29, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote:
> >>> Anyone going to this?
> >>>
> >>> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/broadband-measurement-summit/
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >



-- 
https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/2024_predictions/
Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos

Re: [NNagain] broadband measurement summit in DC March 7th

[Dave Taht]

Dear Sascha:

I apologize for being testy yesterday about what little is visible of
your new measurement tool. It wasn´t you that triggered me, but
signing an NDA elsewhere the day prior to look over someone elses data
set and being unable to do anything other than fume about it.

Anyway since you are restricted in sharing the code behind your stuff,
I am curious if any of the points, measurements, or techniques I
outlined in this presentation are in it?

At this point, I would settle for one public test actually measuring a
single flow, for correctly applying tcp-friendly principles.

http://www.taht.net/~d/Misunderstanding_Residential_Bandwidth_Latency.pdf

Regrettably I do not think I will make this upcoming conference.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 9:35 AM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 8:50 AM Sascha Meinrath <sascha@thexlab.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > Never got it unbricked,
>
> Worst fat fingering bug of my life. I so wish you had had that box as
> a reference while you developed other measurement tools.
>
> > alas, but we did finish up the RadarToolkit.com
> > firmware, and are currently winding our way through getting permissions to open
> > source that software stack (the federal agency has given the o.k., and now we
> > just need the lead NGO to get sign-off from its board).
>
> I have grave difficulty trusting any measurement software that is not
> open sourced. I look over your website and it makes me really twitchy
> - I point people at validated tools like irtt and flent and there is
> no, there, there, over there...
>
> Please tell me you are measuring latency properly? I just took apart
> some data from someone else that foolishly let me see the code and ...
> pesky NDAs... they are a license to lie... I am never signing another
> NDA again so long as I can help it.
>
> Over here is a classic example of why measuring "average latency" is a
> function of the measurement interval.
>
> http://www.taht.net/~d/Misunderstanding_Residential_Bandwidth_Latency.pdf
>
>
> Radar is a fairly
> > extensible Pi-based (and mobile-app-based) measurement tool that enables
> > longitudinal data collection to document network reliability.
>
> The site is devoid of useful scientific data.
>
>  We've already
> > deployed hundreds of these devices across 4 states, and have documented
> > real-time "rolling blackouts" on specific ISPs up in Alaska. Radar is also
> > fairly seamless in terms of collecting info needed to make BEAD challenges
> > (which is this month's hot issue) -- though I'm far more interested in
> > collecting baseline intel prior to BEAD interventions (so that we can document
> > meaningful impact).
> >
> > I remain quite perplexed on how NTIA plans to actually document the efficacy of
> > their public investments. One of the biggest (rightful) critiques of the BTOP
> > program was that there was no empirically-based assessment of what worked, and
> > what didn't. 12 years later and NTIA appears hell-bent on making exactly the
> > same mistake.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I'll be very keen to see how the Broadband Nutrition Label rollout
> > goes -- starting next month, we *should* be able to do the first-ever,
> > systematic comparative pricing analyses on a national scale (at least among the
> > large-scale providers).
> >
> > --Sascha
> >
> > On 3/1/24 08:34, Dave Taht wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2024 at 8:32 AM Sascha Meinrath <sascha@thexlab.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> I'll be there!
> > >
> > > Did you ever get your wndr3800s to work? I could send you a box of a
> > > few 25 dollar fq_codeled gl.inet boxes to anyone that needs ´em,
> > > particularly those still stuck with DSL. I have also been encouraging
> > > folk to run the waveform or speedtest.net tests on the conference
> > > wifi....
> > >>
> > >> --Sascha
> > >>
> > >> On 3/1/24 07:29, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote:
> > >>> Anyone going to this?
> > >>>
> > >>> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/broadband-measurement-summit/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
> --
> https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/2024_predictions/
> Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos



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Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos